What's with all this shady AF fear mongering towards vaping.

The issue with Vaping is that it does not have the social stigma attached to it that conventional tobacco use does. The public health campaign against cigarette smoking was successful in large part because it succeeded in convincing people that smoking is a disgusting habit. Today if you walk up to a girl outside a bar and are smoking a cigarette it is a great way not get laid. Smoking and to a lesser extent chewing tobacco is viewed by the general public as a disgusting habit rather than being a bad ass like it was in the hey-day of tobacco use. E-cigs do not have social stigma attached to them so high schoolers think it is cool to use them and a new generation of nicotine users is getting hooked. Nobody knows the long term effects of vaping, (hint... it is probably not good for your lungs) but for somebody who is allready a heavy smoker vaping is probably a good method of harm reduction.

Get used to it. This is the nature of US journalism. It's an interesting story that gets lots of clicks.

As a side note, vaping is a totally unknown entity from a medical standpoint. People who vape are experimenting on themselves. Live lab rats basically. Maybe it'll end up being safe. Maybe it'll be worse than tobacco. We won't know for mant years. Seems pretty stupid to vape if you ask me.

I don't believe any of these lies about vaping. What's wrong with putting vapor and water and unknown chemicals into your lungs? I mean, first they ban coal. Now vaping. Oh, its bad for my lungs they say. Big deal. Its like smoking in your car. Just open the windows so you don't stink up the interior of your car because a new car is expensive. I can always go buy a new set of lungs on Amazon.

runnER/DR wrote:

Get used to it. This is the nature of US journalism. It's an interesting story that gets lots of clicks.

As a side note, vaping is a totally unknown entity from a medical standpoint. People who vape are experimenting on themselves. Live lab rats basically. Maybe it'll end up being safe. Maybe it'll be worse than tobacco. We won't know for mant years. Seems pretty stupid to vape if you ask me.

Question - why would kids vape if they knew it had nicotine in it? I don't believe flavored vapes were designed for smokers, but for new customers.

Did FDA approve vape for public consumption?

How many of those "adults" really enjoy the mouth feel and pleasure derived from sucking on the equivalent of a big kid's teet substitute ? Would they also enjoy fruit loop flavored ecigs?

Its a way to distract from the gun problem. But i say no ban. Let this vaping douches have stuff literally blow up in their faces. Same with cigarettes, let em get lung cancer. At least those things dont have high capacity magazines killing people left and right

Prager wrote:

runnER/DR wrote:

Get used to it. This is the nature of US journalism. It's an interesting story that gets lots of clicks.

As a side note, vaping is a totally unknown entity from a medical standpoint. People who vape are experimenting on themselves. Live lab rats basically. Maybe it'll end up being safe. Maybe it'll be worse than tobacco. We won't know for mant years. Seems pretty stupid to vape if you ask me.

Question - why would kids vape if they knew it had nicotine in it? I don't believe flavored vapes were designed for smokers, but for new customers.

Did FDA approve vape for public consumption?

The FDA does have regulatory authority over e-cigarettes. However, it is not the same authority they would have over a medical device or new medication. This is a separate designation that requires extensive research for FDA approval. So e-cigarettes are regulated, but very loosely.

Vaping is for douchebags and morons. If you want to fill your lungs with garbage while at the same time letting people know you play for the other team, be my guest.

I am curious as to what the 25 year studies on vaping have to say about the actual health effects compared to not smoking anything.

Vape Fly 2.0 wrote:

There is literally no concrete evidence that vaping has been linked to ANY illness or death, just a bunch of BS reporting. Who's behind this crap?

Right? They should concentrate on what's more important which is that you look completely pathetic sucking your mango vape out of your usb shaped vape pen while you drink your white claws. If you're gonna kill yourself, at least do it by sticking a clump of tobacco in your mouth while drinking some whiskey,

E-cigarettes still contain nicotine, which is a toxin. It raises your blood pressure and adrenaline and increases the likelihood for a heart attack.

Of course, there are no long-term studies, yet. Just the fact that we don't even know which chemicals exactly make up the vapor and how they affect your physical health is in my opinion concerning.

Back in the day people thought smoking cigarettes is healthy, and see how that turned out.

And I don't understand the argument about "vaping helps people to quit smoking": no it doesn't. People may use it as a replacement because as I said, e-cigarettes still contain nicotine which is addictive.

clompy wrote:

I see a lot of vaping in high school, these are not ex smokers coming off a long dangerous road of smoking - they are kids taking up a new type of smoking because they think it is harmless. Sad is what it is.

That's the point I was making earlier.

I never said it should be banned.

But maybe an age restriction.

The flavors are marketed to get young people hooked on something that isn't healthy.

Vape Fly 2.0 wrote:

There is literally no concrete evidence that vaping has been linked to ANY illness or death, just a bunch of BS reporting. Who's behind this crap?

The OP certainly has a point in calling into question the recent flurry of sensational "reporting" on this issue that is rife with speculation as to theoretical causes or links and sparse on facts.

I too have wondered who or what is behind this sudden surge of non-fact based reporting. In several "reports" I've heard the acronym "THC" thrown about which seems like a blatant attempt to stir up fear in the less educated among us. Even with the expanded legalization of marijuana there have been no reports that I am aware of where people have died or gotten severely ill immediately after inhaling or ingesting weed.

I don't know the details of these "new" vaping mechanisms but aren't these devices just a takeoff on the hookah pipe which has been around for about 15 centuries? Something else is going on here. Big Tobacco, marijuana legalization foes, Big Pharma, the gun-lobby misdirection?

In no way do I condone vaping as a healthy thing to do to one's body but I'd like to see some factual investigated reporting as to the cause of this seemingly strange spike in illness and death that may be related to the rise in new vape products.

Don't fawk with me....I am Vaporfly.

You looks so damn stupid riding down the street on your skateboard looking like a coal burning factory.

If you can't quit cigarettes without vaping, or patches or whatever you aren't ready to quit.

There was just a large counterfeit vaping cartridge bust in southeastern Wisconsin this week. Two brothers were filling bootleg vaping cartridges with very small amounts of THC oil and then filling the remainder of the cartridge with unknown substances. The FBI found over 100,000 empty cartridges waiting to be filled. They were selling over 25,000 cartridges per week. If they’re getting that amount of bootleg cartridges, then I would think that this type of illegal operation is happening in multiple other locations in the country.

been around ya' know wrote:

I don't know the details of these "new" vaping mechanisms but aren't these devices just a takeoff on the hookah pipe which has been around for about 15 centuries? Something else is going on here. Big Tobacco, marijuana legalization foes, Big Pharma, the gun-lobby misdirection?

You do realize that Hookah smoking is about the same risk level as normal smoking? The only "health" benefit is that most people are not on the hookah pipe every hour.

Odds are the vaping death is some contaminant (i.e. most of the dangerous stuff is more of a slow death stuff than these rapid) that has some really adverse affect in a small subset of the population.

You have to be pretty brain damaged to think inhaling a bunch of random chemicals into your lungs isn't going to cause some problems. The question is how bad those problems will be. Nicotine just seems like stupid drug to decide to be an addict of.

If there was a TV show that hypnotized people so that they became addicted to the show and had to watch it 6-7 times a day, no one would think twice about banning the show. That is basically what vaping is. It is a product that only does one thing. It makes users addicted and dependent on it just so the makers of the product can make money. If vaping products had no nicotine, no one would buy them.

Jojojo wrote:

E-cigarettes still contain nicotine, which is a toxin. It raises your blood pressure and adrenaline and increases the likelihood for a heart attack.

I'm not sure what you mean by "toxin," but nicotine has never been shown to be dangerous in normal doses. There will doubtless be a lot more research on nicotine as distinct from smoking, but it appears to be no worse than caffeine, with some minor potential risks, and well as some potential benefits.

Jojojo wrote:

And I don't understand the argument about "vaping helps people to quit smoking": no it doesn't. People may use it as a replacement because as I said, e-cigarettes still contain nicotine which is addictive.

Replacing vaping with smoking is quitting smoking. If you think the two are equivalent just because vaping may not be 100% safe, then you're an idiot. There is simply no question that vaping is better than smoking and that it is far and away the most effective smoking cessation tool ever invented. That's why National Health Service in the UK is promoting vaping as a healthier alternative. The public health case for vaping is overwhelming, and denying it is on the same level as denying climate change because it's "just a theory" and hasn't been "conclusively proven"--as if anything can ever be conclusively proven enough to change the mind of a zealot.

Cigarettes are very effective for quitting smoking.

When you want a cigarette smoke half.

Then when you want a cigarette smoke a quarter.

Then when you want a cigarette smoke an eighth.

Oh yeah, make it be the same cigarette until it's gone.

Put it back in the pack and get it out later.

You will quit.