A silver in the Montreal 800 was not realistic. The silver medallist, Van Damme, who also finished a close runner-up in the 1500, was better than any Kenyan at that time, and beat the best the rest of the world had to offer except the two winners in each race, who were themselves world record-holders. Nor would any Kenyan have beaten Coe for the silver at Moscow. As for the steeple in Moscow - no Kenyan would have beaten Malinowski and Bayi.
They wouldn't have won any of the distance events at either Olympics - which you implicitly acknowledge by suggesting they might have "surprised" somewhere for a minor placing. Indeed, it would have been a surprise.
So when I ask which Kenyans could have won any of the distance events, from the 800 to the marathon, at the '76 and '80 Olympics the answer is a big fat zero.
For sure Boit could have beaten Juantorena in Montreal. He has beaten Van Damme after the games in Zürich and ended the season just 0.07 seconds behind Juantorena in the all-time list. But I know you are not interested in facts.
Realistic chances for Gold would have been 76 800m, 80, 5000m, 10000m, steeple. Most realistic scenario, Kenya would have won 1 or 2 Golds at these two games as well as around 7 medals.
But Kenya has boycotted so they won zero medals.
But you can't count above two. And you prefer lying. Your next posts will show this again.
Has Australia boycotted the 76 and 80 games?
Has New Zealand boycotted the 76 and 80 games?
Has the USA boycotted the 76 games?
Now look for the medals these three have won in those heavily boycotted games. Look for the medals Great Britain has won in 76,
Kenya was the most successful track distance running nation in the period 1964 - 1979, despite the 76 boycott.
Again, you will write nothing substantial to this statement. So far, in all your dozens of posts, you havn't written anything. Nothing. Just: it's wrong.
Still no comment about the 'genetic superiority' of Kenyan distance running and the relation it has to the current high level of doping busts on male/female/big fish/small fish. Why skirt around the issue guys?
Still no comment about the 'genetic superiority' of Kenyan distance running and the relation it has to the current high level of doping busts on male/female/big fish/small fish. Why skirt around the issue guys?
What do you mean, Coevett? For sure genetics are important but just one of many factors that must be considered.
That Kenya (mainly Kalenjins) obviously has extremely favourable all-around conditions (including strong local competition, big training groups and so on) for distance running is not something new. It's well known since decades. That this fact should stop all young people from doping is a logic only just brainless people like you and you probably even more deluded friend Armstrong would understand.
Doping is a big problem in all of sport. If there is a way to be successful, some people will do it - regardless if allowed or how dangerous this might be. Many people cheat to get what they want. That's not something really new.
Look at yourself, Coevett. To get your goal - to CONVINCE as many people as possible that all Africans are cheaters and almost all whites (non Spaniards, Italians and some more) are clean as whistles, for you it's just normal to lie over and over again, to deny 100% facts (results) and so on.
It's amusing that the Kenyan apologists always point to the boycotts as the reason why Kenyans performed terribly in the 80's until hgh and then EPO came on the scene, but refuse to accept the demotivating effect of the African full throttle EPO era on non-African athletes.
You need to grow up. Oh, and get a life while you're at it.
What does growing up mean to you? Deny reality? More lying? Losing all rationality? Hating people of different skin color? Seeing the "own" runners as gods an all others as devils? Is this your growing up? No, thank you, I prefer to stay the way I am - honest, rational, critical.
Look at yourself Rekrunner. You persist with your scientific racism despite an obvious and confirmed (weekly) rampant doping culture in Kenya. You give succour to the evil managers and coaches doping and exploiting desperate young Africans, sometimes to death. You promote the disgusting idea that East Africans are closer to nature, with no concept of time and a genetic deviation from the rest of the human race. Do you also believe that Julius Yego is the result of Kenyans 'chucking spears for thousands of years'? Stop using multiple accounts to promote your dangerous beliefs, as well as upvoting yourself and downvoting others.
It's amusing that the Kenyan apologists always point to the boycotts as the reason why Kenyans performed terribly in the 80's until hgh and then EPO came on the scene, but refuse to accept the demotivating effect of the African full throttle EPO era on non-African athletes.
Here is the "terrible" level of Kenya at the 1984 Olympics:
800m: 4 + 6
1500m: 4
5000m: 5 + 6 + 10
10000m: 3 + 6 + 14
steeple: 1 + 7
2nd best nation after Great Britain.
Yes, for Kenya it's on the low side. Almost any other nation would be extremely satisfied with such "terrible" results. And, yes, the two boycotts definitely have had some negative effect, also impossible to quantify this.
Why don't you answer my stats Coevett? Keino would have won more gold medals than GB, Australia, and New Zealand combined if Kenya hadn't boycotted Montreal and Moscow. He was just getting into his stride in 72. For sure he would have won the 800, 1500, 5000, 10000, marathon and Steeplechase in 76, then defended all his titles in WR times in Moscow. I gave Kenya 100 points for every gold Keino would have won in 76 and 80, the gave 5 points each to Coe and Ovett so 10 points for GB. Then I gave Kenya 100 points for each YouTube video of Keino in action I watched yesterday. Finally, I gave Kenya another 100 pts each for every gold they won in the Ancoent Greek Olympics, which was probably loads. The result? Kenya 65000 pts against 10 for GB. How can you and Armstrong argue with that? Kenya clearly undisputed distance running champions since dawn of time!!
Why don't you answer my stats Coevett? Keino would have won more gold medals than GB, Australia, and New Zealand combined if Kenya hadn't boycotted Montreal and Moscow. He was just getting into his stride in 72. For sure he would have won the 800, 1500, 5000, 10000, marathon and Steeplechase in 76, then defended all his titles in WR times in Moscow. I gave Kenya 100 points for every gold Keino would have won in 76 and 80, the gave 5 points each to Coe and Ovett so 10 points for GB. Then I gave Kenya 100 points for each YouTube video of Keino in action I watched yesterday. Finally, I gave Kenya another 100 pts each for every gold they won in the Ancoent Greek Olympics, which was probably loads. The result? Kenya 65000 pts against 10 for GB. How can you and Armstrong argue with that? Kenya clearly undisputed distance running champions since dawn of time!!
Great post, Coevett! I havn't thought it could be possible, but you're just below your normal level.
Just an info for you, Coevett: Keino went professional in 1973.
The fact that Kenya was the most successful nation in track distance running in the period 1964 - 1979 obviously has had a deep impact on you. What don't you like in this fact? Why has this simple fact, that Kenyans were extremely successful in distance running such a bad impact on your life, Coevett? It's just sport, running, nothing more. Does your life depend on the winner of some race? At the moment some young Norwegian guy has good chances to become the greatest in middle and long distance history. He is white. Why can't you just happily ejac...e day in day out about this sweet expectation? The Brits are also more successful as they have been in decades. OK, some of them have no problem in beating some old official and some look as suspicious as any British cycling star of the last two decades (a sport Brits never had any success). But - hey - most of them are white.
It's amusing that the Kenyan apologists always point to the boycotts as the reason why Kenyans performed terribly in the 80's until hgh and then EPO came on the scene, but refuse to accept the demotivating effect of the African full throttle EPO era on non-African athletes.
Here is the "terrible" level of Kenya at the 1984 Olympics:
800m: 4 + 6
1500m: 4
5000m: 5 + 6 + 10
10000m: 3 + 6 + 14
steeple: 1 + 7
2nd best nation after Great Britain.
Yes, for Kenya it's on the low side. Almost any other nation would be extremely satisfied with such "terrible" results. And, yes, the two boycotts definitely have had some negative effect, also impossible to quantify this.
Here is the extremely successful showing of New Zealand and Australia in the 84 games:
800m: 1 out in the heats, one out in the quarter final
1500m: 9 (two out in the semis)
5000m: 8
10000m: no competitors (they all were in world record shape, but preferred to work on their professional career)
steeple: 11
Marathon: 5 + 10 + 34
I think we can agree that this is much better than the terrible showing of Kenya (but unfortunately it's the combined success for the two nations)
Why don't you answer my stats Coevett? Keino would have won more gold medals than GB, Australia, and New Zealand combined if Kenya hadn't boycotted Montreal and Moscow. He was just getting into his stride in 72. For sure he would have won the 800, 1500, 5000, 10000, marathon and Steeplechase in 76, then defended all his titles in WR times in Moscow. I gave Kenya 100 points for every gold Keino would have won in 76 and 80, the gave 5 points each to Coe and Ovett so 10 points for GB. Then I gave Kenya 100 points for each YouTube video of Keino in action I watched yesterday. Finally, I gave Kenya another 100 pts each for every gold they won in the Ancoent Greek Olympics, which was probably loads. The result? Kenya 65000 pts against 10 for GB. How can you and Armstrong argue with that? Kenya clearly undisputed distance running champions since dawn of time!!
You talk unbelievable cr*p. Keino was "just getting into his stride in '72" - when he was in his thirties and convincingly beaten by Vasala at Munich. Keino peaked in '68. His best times over the 1500/mile were nowhere near what Bayi and Walker were achieving by '76 and he would have stood no chance in the longer distances against Viren - or even Quax. You are a fantasist of the highest order.
A silver in the Montreal 800 was not realistic. The silver medallist, Van Damme, who also finished a close runner-up in the 1500, was better than any Kenyan at that time, and beat the best the rest of the world had to offer except the two winners in each race, who were themselves world record-holders. Nor would any Kenyan have beaten Coe for the silver at Moscow. As for the steeple in Moscow - no Kenyan would have beaten Malinowski and Bayi.
They wouldn't have won any of the distance events at either Olympics - which you implicitly acknowledge by suggesting they might have "surprised" somewhere for a minor placing. Indeed, it would have been a surprise.
So when I ask which Kenyans could have won any of the distance events, from the 800 to the marathon, at the '76 and '80 Olympics the answer is a big fat zero.
For sure Boit could have beaten Juantorena in Montreal. He has beaten Van Damme after the games in Zürich and ended the season just 0.07 seconds behind Juantorena in the all-time list. But I know you are not interested in facts.
Realistic chances for Gold would have been 76 800m, 80, 5000m, 10000m, steeple. Most realistic scenario, Kenya would have won 1 or 2 Golds at these two games as well as around 7 medals.
But Kenya has boycotted so they won zero medals.
But you can't count above two. And you prefer lying. Your next posts will show this again.
More garbage. Boit wouldn't have beaten Juantorena or Van Damme in Montreal - he was only a place-getter against his own countrymen at Christchurch in '74. That's all Boit ever was - a mere place-getter, beaten at Munich and Christchurch and regularly losing to the best in the late '70's.
None of your imaginary Kenyans - who? - would have beaten the gold medallists of Juantorena, Walker, Viren, Ovett, Coe, Yifter or Cierpinski in '76 or 80.
Still no comment about the 'genetic superiority' of Kenyan distance running and the relation it has to the current high level of doping busts on male/female/big fish/small fish. Why skirt around the issue guys?
Their "genetic" superiority has been built on doping. The unending stream of busts shows that. Kenya is a disgrace to the sport.
Dear me. I am not Coevett. Never have been. I did meet Ovett at a track meet in 1981 (i was running a invitee marathon that started and finished as bookends to the events). Mickey Mouse sweatshirt on. Classic. As for your comments. Yes, doping is a global problem, but the Kenyans are way worse than any other country by far. Look at the figures. They cheat. A lot.
For once i actually agree with this comment of yours coevett,at least about the shonky coaches and managers who have gone there and doped the athletes,plus a few other things.
when he was in his thirties and convincingly beaten by Vasala at Munich.
If we take modern references Vasala would be considered as an obvious doper. In all his carrer he has a single result in 1972 and seems to have peaked only for 1 month half that year.
Why don't you answer my stats Coevett? Keino would have won more gold medals than GB, Australia, and New Zealand combined if Kenya hadn't boycotted Montreal and Moscow. He was just getting into his stride in 72. For sure he would have won the 800, 1500, 5000, 10000, marathon and Steeplechase in 76, then defended all his titles in WR times in Moscow. I gave Kenya 100 points for every gold Keino would have won in 76 and 80, the gave 5 points each to Coe and Ovett so 10 points for GB. Then I gave Kenya 100 points for each YouTube video of Keino in action I watched yesterday. Finally, I gave Kenya another 100 pts each for every gold they won in the Ancoent Greek Olympics, which was probably loads. The result? Kenya 65000 pts against 10 for GB. How can you and Armstrong argue with that? Kenya clearly undisputed distance running champions since dawn of time!!
You talk unbelievable cr*p. Keino was "just getting into his stride in '72" - when he was in his thirties and convincingly beaten by Vasala at Munich. Keino peaked in '68. His best times over the 1500/mile were nowhere near what Bayi and Walker were achieving by '76 and he would have stood no chance in the longer distances against Viren - or even Quax. You are a fantasist of the highest order.
You are so stupid you can't tell that's Coevett you're replying to. Just one of his usual, unoriginal "satires".