Can we talk about Sage Canaday dietary commentary from yesterday?

Standard American diet is already plant based. It is 70% plants. Anyways at least Belgium is doing something about this nonsense.

https://youtu.be/vWrzmGPEa1U

This whole post is based on the assumption that you can't get protein, or enough protein, from non-meat sources.

That's just flatly not true. There is vegan protein powder, 22g/serving.

It's weird, the post sounds informed, but gets zero traction logically.

Yes, athletes need protein, which is available from many sources.

Fjdjdjxjdd wrote:

This whole post is based on the assumption that you can't get protein, or enough protein, from non-meat sources.

That's just flatly not true. There is vegan protein powder, 22g/serving.

It's weird, the post sounds informed, but gets zero traction logically.

Yes, athletes need protein, which is available from many sources.

Wrong, plants are not in the amino acid profile we need. And the total amount of protein is lacking. Nor can you get many of the other nutrients found in animal nutrition, that is not found in plants i.e. cholesterol, omega 3, vitamin K2, carnitine etc.

Standard American diet is plant based wrote:

Standard American diet is already plant based. It is 70% plants. Anyways at least Belgium is doing something about this nonsense.

https://youtu.be/vWrzmGPEa1U

When people say Whole Foods plant based they are not talking about donuts or processed garbage and you know this. They are talking about non processed foods.

Being vegan doesn’t mean anything in terms of health. Most vegans aren’t actually that healthy. However, I have yet to meet a person who was legit Whole Foods plant based who was not lean and healthy. Legit diet that included lots of legumes, fats, whole grains like brown rice, potatoes, corn, etc. lots of variety and not just watermelons or bananas or something ridiculous.

Engine2 diet wrote:

Legit diet that included lots of legumes, fats, whole grains like brown rice, potatoes, corn, etc. lots of variety and not just watermelons or bananas or something ridiculous.

Whole lot of antinutrents and no actual nutrition.

Antinutrents wrote:

Engine2 diet wrote:

Legit diet that included lots of legumes, fats, whole grains like brown rice, potatoes, corn, etc. lots of variety and not just watermelons or bananas or something ridiculous.

Whole lot of antinutrents and no actual nutrition.

Not sure how to reply so such a retarded and 100% false statement. Your statement is the equivalent of saying that it’s unhealthy to exercise.

Don’t eat any veggies and we will see who lives longer and bette wrote:

Antinutrents wrote:

Whole lot of antinutrents and no actual nutrition.

Not sure how to reply so such a retarded and 100% false statement. Your statement is the equivalent of saying that it’s unhealthy to exercise.

It would behoove of you to do some research before you call such a statement retarded.

Antinutrents wrote:

Don’t eat any veggies and we will see who lives longer and bette wrote:

Not sure how to reply so such a retarded and 100% false statement. Your statement is the equivalent of saying that it’s unhealthy to exercise.

It would behoove of you to do some research before you call such a statement retarded.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinutrienthttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnjX3cZ4q84&feature=youtu.behttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TS60m_dawcM&feature=youtu.be

Ok, broccoli is bad for you and has no nutrients because you posted a YouTube link. Right. You should continue living life in this manner. I’m sure you will achieve great success.

Ok there little buddy, you’re doing great wrote:

Antinutrents wrote:

It would behoove of you to do some research before you call such a statement retarded.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinutrienthttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnjX3cZ4q84&feature=youtu.behttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TS60m_dawcM&feature=youtu.be

Ok, broccoli is bad for you and has no nutrients because you posted a YouTube link. Right. You should continue living life in this manner. I’m sure you will achieve great success.

I understand why this might be hard for you to understand/except. But please do some research. Pretty basic plant biology. Plants in general don't want to be eaten. And over the course of evolution have developed certain mechanisms to protect themselves.

Okay I'll bite, This thread is ridiculous... However, lets clear up some things about "anti nutrients" right away. If you cook and soak something like beans/legumes you pretty much reduce all "anti-nutrients". I believe cooking is a very part of human evolution and it opened the door to eat a lot of things. Yes, I know all about these "scary" tannins and lectins. I consider legumes to be a staple of my diet and something that is very healthy (lots of protein etc.). Vegetables and fruit are usually chock full of vitamins and minerals (high antioxidant concentrations) and carbs for fuel. As far as amino acids go....a simple grain like quinoa has all 9 essential amino acids. I don't even like quinoa and don't eat it all that much though. People (most Americans) are obsessed with Protein for some reason. If you are eating a somewhat balanced diet and have at least some variety in your diet (and are eating enough calories) you should get enough protein. I honestly don't care if I get 0.8g/kg of body weight or 1.2g/kg of body weight per day. It is not a concern to me. The amnio acid blend and timing is more important (and no i don't take any protein powders). If there is one thing a vegan should look to supplement/monitor it would be vitamin B12 and then DHA essential fatty acids. It is interesting how most Americans also simply break down diet into looking at macros and ratios of carbs/fat/protein....or think "Vegan or Paleo"....("low carb" vs "high carb"). It's not that simple. Obviously there are tons of variables at play in diet (timing, nutrient density, individual metabolism, running/training, hydration, and how a food item is cooked/prepared). And finally most Americans are not "whole foods plant based" in their diet. So many calories come from meat/dairy. The "whole" part references that we try to actually not eat highly processed foods (even white flour/processed grains). Instead one would eat more rice (whole grains) and not packaged/refined sugar filled products. Of course I do because I like waffles and pancakes and beer. But I also don't claim to have a super healthy diet. Finally don't believe everything you see on (most) youtube videos...

Antinutrients wrote:

Ok there little buddy, you’re doing great wrote:

Ok, broccoli is bad for you and has no nutrients because you posted a YouTube link. Right. You should continue living life in this manner. I’m sure you will achieve great success.

I understand why this might be hard for you to understand/except. But please do some research. Pretty basic plant biology. Plants in general don't want to be eaten. And over the course of evolution have developed certain mechanisms to protect themselves.

ben blankenship wrote my eulogy wrote:

It's 2019. Is this even still a thing? wrote:

Yawn. When this guy posted that he thinks "people place too much emphasis on diet" he was obviously thinking of you.

a plant-based diet isn't foolish at all. You've obviously never tried it. if you have for more than a couple of weeks, i'd like to hear your story.

it works for so many people who aren't very physically active or trying to achieve anything athletically. i probably know 30-40 people who are vegetarians and are pretty active (rock climbing,

it IS foolish for athletes though, in my opinion.

I haven't been running more than 5-10 miles a week since i ran a marathon 2 years ago and I only eat meat once a week, maybe less.

But I think if i were training every day I'd be screwed without more protein.

If you can’t run 60mi a week on a plant based diet something’s wrong with you, not your diet. You don’t need much protein as a runner because your not trying to build muscle.

I put very little thought into my diet (other than being vegan) and I’ve never felt like “my body was breaking down” because of it. I should definitely eat healthier, but that mostly means less junk food not more meat.

But more importantly, the point of a plant based diet isn’t to help you, it’s to help the planet. Maybe if I’d eaten meat this year I could’ve run 14:50 instead of 14:57, but I’d say that’s a fair trade off. Whether or not a carnivorous diet is healthier is pretty much irrelevant, because it isn’t sustainable.

If you think 5 seconds off your PR is more important than global warming and deforestation, you need to get your head out of your ass

Most nutrition science is complete BS. Read Michael Pollan's "In defense of food." Basically, food and metabolism are highly complex and we don't understand everything about how they work. The best thing anyone can do is eat whole foods.

I eat mostly plant based. I don't think I am better than anyone else. If there's anyone who thinks they are better than anyone else on this board its the guy who keeps going on about meat. Knowing what I know about what animals feel and how they are treated, I simply cannot feel good eating them/their products. I also don't really care how you eat.

Yes, the general consensus seems to be that mostly plant based eating (>80% calories) is good for health. Beyond that, I am not sure it matters so much.

And for the record: Izzi Batt-Doyle (pac 12 10k champ) and Easton Allred (top national class high school runner) are both vegans.

OP, go work at a slaughterhouse if you want to kill animals that badly

"plants don't want to be eaten"

plants being eaten is basically the only way they can spread their seed/reproduce. Being eaten is very evolutionarily favorable to plants (not that it really matters)

San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:

Let him have claim of fastest vegan runner

... squares perfectly with the entire concept trail/ultra exceptionalism. If you can’t mix it up in any of the various, numerous events that already exist make up new ones.

If plants don't want to be eaten then what does that make animals? desperate to be maimed, killed, their intestines ripped out and gorged for food? That's insanely delusional.

You are advocating that people consume known carcinogens (meat).

Insanity wrote:

If plants don't want to be eaten then what does that make animals? desperate to be maimed, killed, their intestines ripped out and gorged for food? That's insanely delusional.

You are advocating that people consume known carcinogens (meat).

Herbivores are designed to eat large amount of plants, because they are biological designed to do so. True herbivores can ferment and turn nutrionally poor plants into amino and fatty acids.

And meat isn't carcinogenic.

why are they labelled as carcinogens by WHO? Is it a vegan conspiracy?

Sage, KD of running in replying to trolls and critics?, ??.