Is Kejelcha or Mo a better runner?

DC Wonk wrote:

If Kejelcha is 21 or 22, then I'm shaving at least a dozen years off my age. Actually, he seems like a good guy, and I hope he continues to be successful.

If Kejelcha and Klosterhaufen had a baby, would the kid be a great runner?

The child could turn sideways and disappear.

Doot this wrote:

doot doot wrote:

That’s neat.

Did he beat any of them in fast races or are you talking 13:4X type races ala London 2012?

Where was Mo in 2004-2011 when track was popping off? That’s right, Mo was pacing workouts for Mottram as a veritable nobody until the greats got hurt, moved on, or hit the roads.

In 2011, Farah won the Prefontaine Classic 10,000 meter race in 26:46, beating Merga, Bett, Tanui, Tadesse, Sihine, Kisorio, Komen, Ebuya, etc. Later that year, he set a meet record 12:53 in Monaco, beating Lagat, Kipchoge, Merga, Longosiwa, etc. Any more nonsense from you?

I think the Monaco track record is 12:51 or quicker

Subway Surfers wrote:

Doot this wrote:

In 2011, Farah won the Prefontaine Classic 10,000 meter race in 26:46, beating Merga, Bett, Tanui, Tadesse, Sihine, Kisorio, Komen, Ebuya, etc. Later that year, he set a meet record 12:53 in Monaco, beating Lagat, Kipchoge, Merga, Longosiwa, etc. Any more nonsense from you?

I think the Monaco track record is 12:51 or quicker

Yeah it is but it's from 2013 by Edwin Soi. Before that race, the meet record was held by Farah at 12:53 from the 2011 meet.

Mo did not break 12:50 or 7:30. Kejelcha has already done both. He's now second all time in the indoor mile and also has a faster half marathon PR than Mo. He is obviously the better runner. He has the potential to contend for world records, something Mo could never do (indoor 2 mile being the one exception obviously), and will definitely add to his medal count as his career progresses. Only one of these guys will belong in conversations with all-time greats like Bekele, Geb, and Kipchoge, and it's not Mo. Stop pretending that medals are everything.

I think the hate for Farah stops people from seeing just how good Farah was and I don't believe the times he or his competition has down on paper tells the whole story, not Geb or Bekele level on times but much better than his results suggest. We know the guys racing in 5000 were fast as all you have to do is look at the all-time list but I think the competition and Farah himself are very underrated at the 10k.

This decade has been a different era for the 10k to Bekele's and Geb's as meet directors don't put it on nearly as reguraly as they used to as it takes a long time to run off. There is really only one high level 10k every year now and I think that has a lot to do with the slower times. Everyone quotes Farah's 26:46 but I think there is a better race that shows just how much faster both him and his competition really were. That's the 10,000m in the London World Championships in 2017. I'm not going to go all Ventolin on this but it should tell a good story of performance.

26:49 and Splits were 13:36/13:13 with the last mile of 4:05 and 55 last lap for Farah. 3 seconds slower than his PB.

3 of the top 5 set PB's in this race and everyone who broke 27 was within 5 seconds of theirs despite the big negative split and the race been run like a fartlek for the first 4 miles before they settled into steady 63's for the next 7 laps. Running close to or setting a PB like that is doing it the really hard way.

But that's not the biggest revelation of the splits. Farah ran the last 3k in 7:45(12:54 5000m pace!!!) Yeah, he ran the last 3k at his 5000m PB pace in a near PB 10k race!! Cheptegei and Tanui both ran 7:46.

I know this will bring up inevitible World Championship comparisons to Paris 2003 where Bekele and Geb went sub-13 on the second 5k split. Their splits that day were

Geb: 13:52/12:58

Bekele: 13:52/12:57

Insane! I'm not saying Farah would beat Bekele that day as Kenneisa unleashed a devastating kick that no one in history would have beaten in that race but look at the splits and compare to Farah's 2017. Much slower first half in 2003 by roughly 1.25 seconds per lap. If you gave Farah those 1.25 seconds per lap, does you think he could have extended his 7:45 last 3k at 12:54 5k pace out to a sub 13 5k if placed in that race in 2003? I think he would be close to or even under to be honest.

The long story short of all this is that Geb ran 26:29 in a paced race 2 weeks after that race in 2003. And I believe that the top 3 in London of Farah, Tanui and Cheptegei were all capable of running low to mid 26:30's that day in London.

If nothing else, that race shows just how weak Farah's 10k and 5k PB's are. Running within 3 seconds of your 10k PB in a race where you run the last 3k at 5000m PB pace shows just how weak they were.

medals aren't enough wrote:

Mo did not break 12:50 or 7:30. Kejelcha has already done both. He's now second all time in the indoor mile and also has a faster half marathon PR than Mo. He is obviously the better runner. He has the potential to contend for world records, something Mo could never do (indoor 2 mile being the one exception obviously), and will definitely add to his medal count as his career progresses. Only one of these guys will belong in conversations with all-time greats like Bekele, Geb, and Kipchoge, and it's not Mo. Stop pretending that medals are everything.

Actually, winning is everything. And there Farah still comes out on top.

doot doot wrote:

better = faster wrote:

Kejelcha is better and it isn't close.

It’s just a matter of time.

Kejelcha *may* not rack up as many WC/Oly medals as Mo, but Mo’s are pretty trivial given the “competition” at 5/10k.

If last summer’s Ethiopian mega time trial is any indication of things to come then the post-Mo era of track is about to be exciting again.

Logical fallacy. Kejelcha WAS Farah’s competition!

I’m really confused with Letsrun logic.

Kejelcha runs one good indoor mile and now he is better than the 4 time Olympic and 6 time world champion? A man who used to beat Kejelcha all the time including right up to the end of his track career when he was 33. Farah won 10 straight global finals and is the only man since Lasse Virén to do the double double at the Olympics.

Everyone he raced, including Kejelcha, had faster PBs than him yet he still won.

exrunner wrote:

I’m really confused with Letsrun logic.

Kejelcha runs one good indoor mile and now he is better than the 4 time Olympic and 6 time world champion? A man who used to beat Kejelcha all the time including right up to the end of his track career when he was 33. Farah won 10 straight global finals and is the only man since Lasse Virén to do the double double at the Olympics.

Everyone he raced, including Kejelcha, had faster PBs than him yet he still won.

It's because letsrun is full of hobbyjogging never beens who never won a race in their life and use pr's as justification of their existence to protect their fragile and unusually large ego's.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

BHJhbjjbhbjhbjh wrote:

Kejelcha

1500m: 3:32.5 (Sep 4, 2018)

Mile: 3:51.7i (Jan 2019)

3000m: 7:28.0 (Aug 18, 2018)

5000m: 12:46.7 (Aug 31, 2018)

HM: 59:17 (Sep 16, 2018)

Mo

1500m: 3:28.8 * (Monaco) (2013)

Mile: 3:56.4 (2005) at 22 y.o.

3000m: 7:32.6 (2016)

5000m: 12:53.1 * (Monaco) (2011)

10,000m 26:46 (2011)

HM: 59:32 (2015)

Two questions however:

Has anybody else ever showed as much range in a 29 day period??

When did Kejelcha join NOP? His 1500m PB in 2017 was 3:32.9, his 3000m PB in 2016 was 7:28.1 and his 5000m PB in 2015 was 12:53.9, so not a sudden jump in performance but...

Mo never went after WR's in paced races like Bekele did. I would say that only his 1500 PR is indicative of his limits so a comparison of PRs at this point is meaningless.

Mo also only got dragged to fast times. So possibly insinuating that he wouldv'e been faster than Bekele is pointless. ALso want to point out the age difference between Kejelcha and Mo before you guys go listing world titles.

Unless you win medals, you are forgotten faster. If you were to ask all of lrc to name who they know best out these, who would be best known?

Samson Kimobwa

Dick Quax

Emmiel Puttemans

Lasse Viren

One is a 4 time olympic medallist and all the rest ran faster than him in his when he was competing. Who was the 6th fastest man all-time at 5000m when Lasse viren won 4 gold medals, nobody cares and it would be hard to find out because it's an insignificant fact in the history of sport.

World records come and go and get surpassed and tumble down the all-time list into eventual obscurity. What once was a great time and unbelievable soon becomes the norm. Gold medals and periods of dominance are remembered.

World records are only borrowed-Seb Coe

exrunner wrote:

I’m really confused with Letsrun logic.

Kejelcha runs one good indoor mile and now he is better than the 4 time Olympic and 6 time world champion? A man who used to beat Kejelcha all the time including right up to the end of his track career when he was 33. Farah won 10 straight global finals and is the only man since Lasse Virén to do the double double at the Olympics.

Everyone he raced, including Kejelcha, had faster PBs than him yet he still won.

Please, Kejelcha has done a lot more than run one fast mile. The fact that his range is in Mo “the range GOAT” Farah territory while being 14 years younger AND running for the coach/group that took Mo from nobody to scrub beater is why people are taking notice.

Has Mo ever done any of the work in a race or put anything on the line? The fact that Kejelcha ISNT a puss and will attack WRs and fast paces is why people are taking notice.

Why didn’t Mo ever chase fast times in non-1500 races? Because it was safe.

Mo fans are invariably a bunch of dopes onsessing over shiny trinkets, just like the man himself.

Kejelcha will take the trinkets over fast times anyday. After all, he was trying to win them.

Obviously Mo is the more credentialed/superior runner for now. That being said, Kejelcha has plenty of years to catch him and is a better time-trialer than Mo ever was. If he breaks a few WRs (indoor mile, indoor 3K indoor/outdoor 5K) and wins in 2-3 cycles, he will probably surpass Farah in how he is remembered. Despite Farah's greater number of golds, I don't think many would consider him on Bekele/Haile's level. And that's how Kejelcha would be if he runs 12:35 and wins golds in 2019-2021.

Saying that times are all that matter to name the better runner is like saying the best boxer in the world is whoever can punch the hardest.

westsouthrunner wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Mo never went after WR's in paced races like Bekele did. I would say that only his 1500 PR is indicative of his limits so a comparison of PRs at this point is meaningless.

Mo also only got dragged to fast times. So possibly insinuating that he wouldv'e been faster than Bekele is pointless. ALso want to point out the age difference between Kejelcha and Mo before you guys go listing world titles.

I’m more than happy to wait until Kejelcha finishes his career to compare to Farah. That would actually make sense. Right now it is ABSOLUTELY no contest - Farah’s career is 100x better than Kejelcha’s.

I would like to point out that something that everyone overlooks - once Farah became a world beater the DL fields were afraid to run hard and fast. Instead, Farah would sit at the back of he field whilst they jogged around and hoped they could catch him out like Jelian in 2011. I guarantee that if he was in the Brussels 2018 5k the winning time would have been 13:05, and it’s not directly Farah’s fault.

Has Kejelcha won anything ? No. Close the thread.

leftwanting wrote:

Saying that times are all that matter to name the better runner is like saying the best boxer in the world is whoever can punch the hardest.

Exactly.

Kejelcha ran 12:46 and came third. I doubt he celebrated that hard.

Farah has beaten all of those men time and time again, when it mattered.

YK2020 wrote:

YK joined nop in early 2017. He quickly became World Indoor 3k champ. Comparing his appearance currently to when he arrived, Al has put some much needed beef on the kid, as well as given him some direction.

In his first year with NOP Mo won world 5K gold and 10K silver.

World Indoor 3K champ is not even in the same neighborhood. Many elites could care less about indoor worlds and most of the public don't know it's a thing.