Obummercare ruled unconstitutional

Fifth Circus wrote:

Bottom line: if you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare.

What about my Obama phone? Can I keep that?

Wish I was that rich wrote:

I was 33 when I was diagnosed with stage 2 colon cancer... was a high school athlete, got plenty of exercise, never smoked, reasonably healthy diet. I did everything “right” but got sick anyway.

The price of my treatment was well over a million dollars. Chemotherapy runs $20k per day. Do you have that kind of cash in your rainy day fund? ‘Cause I sure didn’t, even though I had (and still have) a decent career that puts me firmly into the upper middle class tax bracket. Insurance saved my life.

Obviously most people don’t think bad things will happen to them, but most people also have no concept whatsoever of how much medical treatment actually costs.

That's a good argument to make cancer insurance mandatory, or catastrophic sickness insurance mandatory. But it's notwhat health insurance is nowadays.

Real insurance is:

- Low premium

- Infrequent claims

- Large claims

Health insurance is very different from that. Premium are high, claims are frequent, predictable, and rather small.

Just wow... wrote:

I can't believe there are so many idiots in this country. "I hate the guvment slamming healthcare insurance down my throat. All those other sick people should go bankrupt while I do just fine. I'd rather die than have to pay for insurance!"

Congratulations - you may get that wish since you're uninsured when you get sick.

Let's talk about idiots.

I dont drink.

I don't smoke.

I don't use illicit drugs.

I don't overeat myself into obesity.

I don't have rampant unprotected sex with multiple partners.

Why should I pay for the healthcare of those who suffer the effects of those who voluntarily engage in those behaviors?

I've never smoked a cigarette but somehow I have to pay for the medical bills of a decades long smoker who is suffering from lung cancer, CHF and or COPD.

yep. I'm the idiot.

You're going to pay for it one way or the other. If they don't have access to affordable healthcare they will eventually go to the ER. They can't afford to pay that bill so they won't. Healthcare costs and insurance premiums who can afford it will increase to compensate, thus further increasing the number of people who can't afford it. Additionally, a lot of small/rural hospitals derive a great deal of business from low income individuals that are on programs like ACA enrollment or Medicaid. Decisions like the one today, if enforced, will drop census to the point many of these hospitals will ultimately close. I don't think many people realize just how many people are covered on government health programs that the GOP are trying to cut in part or entirely. It will ultimately increase costs for those who have coverage, reduce accessibility to hospitals, and cause massive layoffs in healthcare jobs. But hey... Congrats!

It is about time! I am self-employed and I can tell you that everything Obama said about Obamacare when he was trying to sell it to the American people was a blatant lie. I lost all of the doctors starting in 2017 when the hospital where I used to see doctors stopped taking Blue Cross for individuals. So I saw new doctors starting in 2017. And now starting in 2019 I will again lose the doctors I saw in 2017 and 2018 as the new doctors I had seen no longer belong to medical groups which accept Blue Cross for individuals.

Obama promised that people would get to keep their health care plans, would get to see the same doctors, and that the costs for the typical family would decrease by $2500. Every one of those promises was quickly broken. I really don't understand why anyone thinks Obamacare has been a good thing.

Oh..... wrote:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obamacare-ruled-unconstitutional-by-texas-judge

....bummer.

By the same judge who gave the Baylor fratboy president no jail; time for rape? What's going on down there in Texas?!

This is a GWB judge (unextraordinary) who is not dedicated to doing his level best to do equal right.

Endgame of all-out assault on pre-existing conditions and access to affordable health care as guaranteed.

Also: All 5 justices who voted Obamacare as law are STILL on the SCOTUS. What do you think that means?

Slow your roll wrote:

Just wow... wrote:

I can't believe there are so many idiots in this country. "I hate the guvment slamming healthcare insurance down my throat. All those other sick people should go bankrupt while I do just fine. I'd rather die than have to pay for insurance!"

Congratulations - you may get that wish since you're uninsured when you get sick.

Let's talk about idiots.

I dont drink.

I don't smoke.

I don't use illicit drugs.

I don't overeat myself into obesity.

I don't have rampant unprotected sex with multiple partners.

Why should I pay for the healthcare of those who suffer the effects of those who voluntarily engage in those behaviors?

I've never smoked a cigarette but somehow I have to pay for the medical bills of a decades long smoker who is suffering from lung cancer, CHF and or COPD.

yep. I'm the idiot.

Ha, by that logic, why am I paying for this country's roads and highways? I don't drive a car! (Live in NYC)

Why am I paying for NYC's subway system? I usually walk to work, but can just use uber to get around if I need it.

Why am I paying for our military? I was opposed to the war in Iraq and many of our other misadventures abroad.

Why am I paying for public education? I was sent to expensive and elite private schools!

Why am I paying for any government at all? I don't need a government! I'm an island of invincibility and self-reliance!

Granted, the government protects our nuclear arsenal, has vastly improved our ability to predict weather, basically invented the internet, helped develop cancer immunotherapies, poured billions of dollars into the buildout of our oil and gas and coal industries over the decades (and now is helping build out solar, wind) -- but screw that!

Nothing can ever befall me, or if it does, I'll just accept it and die early--because I believe in something (or, rather, in nothing)

You don't pay tolls or vehicle registration fees which pay for the roads.

You don't pay subway fares.

Let's not pretend a large fraction of your taxes are necessary for running the government. Most of your money is just transferred to someone else via entitlement programs or useless government jobs.

Wish I was that rich wrote:

I was 33 when I was diagnosed with stage 2 colon cancer... was a high school athlete, got plenty of exercise, never smoked, reasonably healthy diet. I did everything “right” but got sick anyway.

The price of my treatment was well over a million dollars. Chemotherapy runs $20k per day. Do you have that kind of cash in your rainy day fund? ‘Cause I sure didn’t, even though I had (and still have) a decent career that puts me firmly into the upper middle class tax bracket. Insurance saved my life.

Obviously most people don’t think bad things will happen to them, but most people also have no concept whatsoever of how much medical treatment actually costs.

Catastrophic care insurance would have been remarkably cheap. I am genuinely sorry that you elected not to enroll.

Now that you have identified the root of the problem, do you think the ACA is the most logical or fair decision possible?

Most logical? No. The real problem is the insurance companies. Procedures and medications cost significantly more in the US because of it. However, nothing the GOP or current administration supports is going to change that. Healthcare costs were increasing BEFORE the ACA was enacted. The part of the ACA that may have pressured insurance companies to lower premiums, the public option, was shot down. Thus making the ACA incapable of causing lower costs. But it did increase the number of people covered by millions. Now less people will have coverage, people will be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, and prices will still increase.

Why are posters talking about the ACA (Obamacare) was a good idea or not?

Who cares? It's not constitutional. That's the only criterion worthwhile.

“The peculiar circumstances of the moment may render a measure more or less wise, but cannot render it more

or less constitutional." - Marshall (quoted in decision).

Renderer wrote:

Why are posters talking about the ACA (Obamacare) was a good idea or not?

Who cares? It's not constitutional. That's the only criterion worthwhile.

“The peculiar circumstances of the moment may render a measure more or less wise, but cannot render it more or less constitutional." - Marshall (quoted in decision).

Tell that to activist judges who vote their own cockeyed theories as "constitutional law" to then give itself as stare decisis precedents. Why do you think USA is in so much mess the last many decades?

This is great news for any Democrat running for any office in 2020.

Sand Dunes wrote:

Insurance is very unnatural and we should let nature take its course.

Then you should feel the same way about home and auto insurance. Good luck financially recovering after someone crashes into your car and it’s not drivable. Forgot suing to get money. The courts would be backed up for decades.

Sand Dunes wrote:

Fifth Circus wrote:

Bottom line: if you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare.

What about my Obama phone? Can I keep that?

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Phone companies have been providing self subsidized ‘free’ phone services to poverty level individuals since Regan’s presidentcy. The only thing that has changed is the technology.

Slow your roll wrote:

Just wow... wrote:

I can't believe there are so many idiots in this country. "I hate the guvment slamming healthcare insurance down my throat. All those other sick people should go bankrupt while I do just fine. I'd rather die than have to pay for insurance!"

Congratulations - you may get that wish since you're uninsured when you get sick.

Let's talk about idiots.

I dont drink.

I don't smoke.

I don't use illicit drugs.

I don't overeat myself into obesity.

I don't have rampant unprotected sex with multiple partners.

Why should I pay for the healthcare of those who suffer the effects of those who voluntarily engage in those behaviors?

I've never smoked a cigarette but somehow I have to pay for the medical bills of a decades long smoker who is suffering from lung cancer, CHF and or COPD.

yep. I'm the idiot.

That’s today, but in 40 years you may not be so lucky. Then you’re screwed

Anyone who'd cheer the ACA being struck down is also cheering tens of millions of people losing health coverage, the loss of protection for pre-existing conditions, children no longer able to remain on their parents' health insurance until 26, the reintroduction of lifetime limits on coverage, and other onerous results. Fortunately, this decision does nothing until the Supreme Court weighs in.