The greatest GOAT: Tom Brady or Michal Jordan

wrong again wrote:

Nope, he was turning that thing around in Cleveland until he left. He inherited a much better team in New England and he has had a much better owner at New England. They give him what he needs. When teams pressure Brady he looks like crap, he cannot improvise, he cannot make something out of nothing, he can't move outside the pocket. He needs Bill to set up the system and get guys open. Elway, Rodgers, Montana just to name a few can get out and make a play, not even close.

You know nothing about football or what makes a good quarterback in the NFL. Running around with the ball is stupid and only works well in college. Brady reads the defense better and gets the ball out of his hand faster than any other quarterback in history. That's what makes him the best. Their offensive line suck. They do not have super star receivers. Brady is good despite of those things.

Oh god not again wrote:

There is no single person that's a GOAT of some silly team sport. That's ridiculous. Perhaps the team cold be GOAT but not an individual.

The GOAT individual must be in a mano a mano sport.

Some examples: A GOAT would be Roger Federer (tennis), Alexander Karelin (wrestling), Brzenk (arm wrestling)

Lance (cycling-road), or Bekele (5000 & 10000 meters)

I don't think "mano a mano" means what you think it means.

Give it up, you're arguing with someone who is either blind or has so much hatred for Brady that it is totally blocking his ability to process rational thought. Almost every current and former NFL player and GM says Brady is the GOAT, yet somehow this clown thinks he knows something that none of them do.

Check your Spanish wrote:

Oh god not again wrote:

There is no single person that's a GOAT of some silly team sport. That's ridiculous. Perhaps the team cold be GOAT but not an individual.

The GOAT individual must be in a mano a mano sport.

Some examples: A GOAT would be Roger Federer (tennis), Alexander Karelin (wrestling), Brzenk (arm wrestling)

Lance (cycling-road), or Bekele (5000 & 10000 meters)

I don't think "mano a mano" means what you think it means.

Is not mano a mano a duel between two adversaries? Most of those are pure mano a mano sports no?

Even in the 5000 you're usually going up against someone in the last 400 or 100...it's really you against this guy, or that guy...

Luv2Run wrote:

F Boston wrote:

Jordan didn’t cheat

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I remember a pretty big push off...

Ummm . . . the topic was Jordan cheating (or not). Try to stay on topic.

And here's a quick hint for you in case you are having trouble: Fouling someone in basketball is NOT cheating (regardless of whether or not the supposed foul gets called).

Check your Spanish wrote:

Oh god not again wrote:

There is no single person that's a GOAT of some silly team sport. That's ridiculous. Perhaps the team cold be GOAT but not an individual.

The GOAT individual must be in a mano a mano sport.

Some examples: A GOAT would be Roger Federer (tennis), Alexander Karelin (wrestling), Brzenk (arm wrestling)

Lance (cycling-road), or Bekele (5000 & 10000 meters)

I don't think "mano a mano" means what you think it means.

Does it mean "inconceivable" by any chance?

Do you know? wrote:

Check your Spanish wrote:

I don't think "mano a mano" means what you think it means.

Is not mano a mano a duel between two adversaries? Most of those are pure mano a mano sports no?

Even in the 5000 you're usually going up against someone in the last 400 or 100...it's really you against this guy, or that guy...

No, it is not.

He gets the ball out of his hand quickly because they dink and dunk, it is a short pass offense. Is that hard to understand?

split second wrote:

He gets the ball out of his hand quickly because they dink and dunk, it is a short pass offense. Is that hard to understand?

Hmm, I wonder what is better: throwing short passes and getting first downs or trying for long passes and getting interceptions or getting forced to punt. Four yards a play and you never see a fourth down. Those yards add up. Brady had the most yards of any QB this season. But when Brady get the MVP, I'm sure you'll argue that you know more than all the experts.

youoff wrote:

split second wrote:

He gets the ball out of his hand quickly because they dink and dunk, it is a short pass offense. Is that hard to understand?

Hmm, I wonder what is better: throwing short passes and getting first downs or trying for long passes and getting interceptions or getting forced to punt. Four yards a play and you never see a fourth down. Those yards add up. Brady had the most yards of any QB this season. But when Brady get the MVP, I'm sure you'll argue that you know more than all the experts.

Do you have comprehension issues?

I didn't say short passes were bad, I said that is why he gets the ball off quickly. Very simple, you would think everyone would do it.

Where would Jordan have gotten without the rest of the cast? Still in the HOF as his individual game was incredible. Where would Pippen and Co be? Likely not even an afterthought. As great as Pippen was not many people thought him to be a top 50 all time NBA talent as he was selected. And we know at the peak of his powers and with an MVP type season with a phenomenal supporting cast Pippen and Jackson could not get past the Knicks. As for the thinking that Jordan got every call...that's pure nonsense. Jordan got the normal amount of star player calls. I can't recall a single instance where Jordan got the amount of calls that players today do since he played in a handcheck era and it took quite a lot to get a foul called. There's no series where he's exploding for 25 free throws per game like 2006 Dwayne Wade. It's a myth. Watch any Bulls Knicks series it was a wrestling match between MJ and Starks and rarely did he draw unjust calls against Starks. There have also been times where Jordan got a raw deal like when Reggie Miller shoved off for a game winning three in the playoffs. It was a legit full body shove, not a arm push off and no call was made. The type of defense played by many teams back then would get the starting 5 fouled out or ejected within the first half in today's game. So keep in mind that his "star calls" were him getting legitimately fouled in many instances.

Should I repost the Bad Man video for you? Brady couldn't make one of the plays in the entire highlight video. He has even admitted that he knows he can't do most of the things Rodgers does. But you're right, Brady is still the GOAT because he's Tom Brady. He's also an arrogant prick that often acts like a baby on the sideline. There's really not much to like about him tbh. After reading the latest ESPN report about the Garopolo situation, it seems like most of his own team probably doesn't even like him because all he cares about is himself. He's good at what he does, but to say he's better than Rodgers is objectively false. Again, the winning is unmatched and impressive, but to say it's all because of Brady is also objectively false. The coach is responsible for running an incredible system that sets up Brady to win all the time as long as he plays well. Rodgers plays unbelievably well more often than Brady. How many super bowls would Rodger's have with Bellichick? Probably more than 5 by the time he played out a full career.

runmn wrote:

Brady is still the GOAT because he's Tom Brady. He's also an arrogant prick that often acts like a baby on the sideline. .

Find me one interview where Brady says anything arrogant. I dare you. He's one of the most humble guys out there. Moss on the other hand....

I think it’s ludicrous to suggest Brady isn’t phenomenal. However, interesting thought experiment. If you swapped Brady and Manning for their careers, so Manning worked with Belichick on the Pats for 20 years and Brady got the revolving door of mediocre coaches, etc, how would their careers have played out? I think Manning would have retired with at least 5 Superbowls, which makes me question whether he is MJ level GOAT. I don’t think you could plug in anyone for MJ and get the same results.

Did you see or read his lips before the game last Sunday. He was squatting down on the sideline and yelled at somebody "they should get those people off the fvcking field right now" While they were doing the color guard ceremonies.

That's the Patriot Way. Haven't you forgotten receiver Edelman shouting "Get the fVck off the field!!" at DarthVader himself just before the final play was confirmed reviewed. lllooollll!!!

Obvi wrote:

Luv2Run wrote:

I remember a pretty big push off...

Ummm . . . the topic was Jordan cheating (or not). Try to stay on topic.

And here's a quick hint for you in case you are having trouble: Fouling someone in basketball is NOT cheating (regardless of whether or not the supposed foul gets called).

Jordan didn't cheat. He was the money maker for the league. The refs CHEATED for him. No one would ever dare call Michael for a charge at the the of a game. Actually he was never

knower of things and stuff wrote:

Do you know? wrote:

Is not mano a mano a duel between two adversaries? Most of those are pure mano a mano sports no?

Even in the 5000 you're usually going up against someone in the last 400 or 100...it's really you against this guy, or that guy...

No, it is not.

From dictionary:

noun

noun: mano-a-mano; plural noun: mano-a-manos; noun: mano a mano; plural noun: mano a manos

1.

an intense fight or contest between two adversaries; a duel.

"a real courtroom mano-a-mano"

So perhaps you are right and everyone else is wrong

lip reader wrote:

Did you see or read his lips before the game last Sunday. He was squatting down on the sideline and yelled at somebody "they should get those people off the fvcking field right now" While they were doing the color guard ceremonies.

Seriously, bro? That's the best you can come up with? You must hate those guys that yell at kids to get off the track when a race is about to start.