What would happen if prostitution were legalized everywhere in the US?

Rapes fell after Rhode Island decriminalized prostitution, so it seems some people are raping because they can't get laid.

I think you are right that many would feel like a loser for paying for sex. I suppose not all would feel that way. Also, some would just want better sex or no commitment, and might not feel like a loser, because the COULD have sex without paying, or perhaps they are as well.

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

in reality the reason guys aren't paying 100 bucks for a BJ isn't because it is illegal. It is because you will feel like a total loser having to pay for sex and in the end will not get your needs met. Jamin is still going to feel like an incel after having to pay 200 bucks to get laid. He isn't going to feel better about himself.

I think it's very dependent on the individual. Some incels and/or virgins would happily pay to get laid just to get their needs satisfied.

It's the same thing as doping. PEDs aren't free, there's a risk of getting caught, many PEDs have significant side effects, and some people do feel like losers if they win the race only because they doped. But there are still a lot of dopers out there.

But let me ask you this: Suppose you could have sex with the supermodel of your choice for $10. Suppose that it's legal, that the odds of getting an STD were extremely low, and that you could keep the whole thing a secret if you wanted. Would you pay the $10?

Why such an implausible hypothetical? A supermodel is earning tens of thousands per day modelling, so would only consider having sex with you if you could advance her career materially.

$10 is absurdly low. Even if you are very quick, it takes a little time for you to get undressed and dressed before the next client. It would probably be more lucrative for her to get any minimum wage job.

Maybe the price would increase if it became legal. It seems plausible that there would be a bigger increase in demand than supply.

I think you will find a lot of people will go once and never again. It doesn't really meet most guys needs. Jamin and the rest of the incels aren't going to feel better about themselves because they had to pay to get their rocks off. They will just feel like bigger losers. You can look at the places where it is legal and it is a tiny fraction of the population that visits them.

Seriously if you go to a place where it is legal, is money really the factor that limits you from visiting? I sort of doubt it. Yes some people really get off on the power dynamics of the situation but you will find that meets the needs of only small percentage of the population.

I posted $10 to put the point across that are tons of people out there who would pay for sex. Maybe not for $100-$200, but definitely for $10. We can argue about price, but the principle itself of paying some amount of money for sex isn't the issue.

Back to more realistic numbers. You go on a dating website, spend a few hundred bucks on dates and on your time looking for someone, and get a 50-50 shot at getting laid a few times before you leave her or she leaves you. Wouldn't that money be better spent on a 100% shot at getting laid?

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

Seriously if you go to a place where it is legal, is money really the factor that limits you from visiting? I sort of doubt it.

The limiting factors are the travel costs and the logistics involved in getting there. Flights to Amsterdam aren't cheap, and even if you did have the cash, it's generally not something you can do every weekend due to the time needed to fly back and forth. And if you somehow managed to make it work, it would only be a matter of time before customs notices that there's something fishy going on, and you'd now have to spend more time trying to convince them that you're not a drug smuggler. All of that can be avoided by making it legal in all 50 states.

Different strokes, different folks wrote:

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

Seriously if you go to a place where it is legal, is money really the factor that limits you from visiting? I sort of doubt it.

The limiting factors are the travel costs and the logistics involved in getting there. Flights to Amsterdam aren't cheap, and even if you did have the cash, it's generally not something you can do every weekend due to the time needed to fly back and forth. And if you somehow managed to make it work, it would only be a matter of time before customs notices that there's something fishy going on, and you'd now have to spend more time trying to convince them that you're not a drug smuggler. All of that can be avoided by making it legal in all 50 states.

There are many other places besides amsterdam. I am just asking when your visiting those places, how many times have you gone to the local brothel?

Now in a fantasy world with no STDs and no social stigma, people might go more often. But I doubt it would change peoples behavior much. And rate wise, it is never going to be super cheap unless your in a 3rd world country. Even in cheap places like germany, the studies I have seen push the number up around 90 bucks. The one they gave for the us is ~150. That is at the level that most incels aren't going to be able to afford to go very often. They will just be bitter at only being able to afford 1/week while chad is getting laid 5x for free.

Again none of this is if it should be legal or not. I just don't think much would change either way.

Long term relationship/ marriage data where prostitutes were involved vs polyamorous deals?

If you're on a dating website purely for sex, would you really be spending hundreds of bucks on few dates? More likely, you'd just go a drink. So I still think prostitution would be a lot more expensive. I think you have a better point about the time consuming nature of pursuing non-transactional sex. But I think most people would like the chance of long term relationship, so even then dating will be preferable for most.

Those places are just as hard to reach as Amsterdam. A flight from NY to Berlin isn't going to be cheaper or shorter than a flight from NY to Amsterdam, and other places like New Zealand are even harder to get to. The closest places that have legalized prostitution are probably a few remote areas in rural Nevada, which still require considerable travel time (and from some limited research, the prices there are way higher than $90-$150, which would cancel out any savings from travel costs).

Anyway, I visited Germany a few times and didn't bother visiting any of the brothels there. Any time spent there meant less time driving on the Autobahn, and the thrill of legally driving 120+ mph was too good to resist. Personally, I'd rather have legalized speeding (only in sparsely populated areas, obviously) than legalized prostitution, but that's a whole different topic for a different thread.

You would be surprised how many guys would get addicted to prostitution especially in countries where they are semi-legal. While there are certainly people that can control their desire, there are so many cases which guys would spend tons of money just to impress their favorite girls. These people get addicted because they really don't have hope for having actual relationship and only chance to interact with decent looking girl is through money, which is sad.

So you had the chance and didn't take. You preferred to drive a car fast (which you can do in a zillion places in the US) than go pay for sex.

Packrunner wrote:

You would be surprised how many guys would get addicted to prostitution especially in countries where they are semi-legal. While there are certainly people that can control their desire, there are so many cases which guys would spend tons of money just to impress their favorite girls. These people get addicted because they really don't have hope for having actual relationship and only chance to interact with decent looking girl is through money, which is sad.

I am guessing about the same that get addicted to giving money to strippers and onlyfans girls. You will have enough to make a nice documentary for HBO but we aren't talking about numbers that will change anything.

Dim Tillon wrote:

If you're on a dating website purely for sex, would you really be spending hundreds of bucks on few dates? More likely, you'd just go a drink. So I still think prostitution would be a lot more expensive. I think you have a better point about the time consuming nature of pursuing non-transactional sex. But I think most people would like the chance of long term relationship, so even then dating will be preferable for most.

A couple drinks would be like 30 bucks. What is your conversion rate from drinks to sex? 10%? Now we are talking about 300 bucks. And if your rate is higher than 10%, I doubt you are in the group that is paying for sex. Of course the real cost of the dating website is the hundred girls you swipe on to find the one that will meet your for drinks.

Of course the hope is that date turns into a half dozen sex encounters to really drop the rate.

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

Even in cheap places like germany, the studies I have seen push the number up around 90 bucks. The one they gave for the us is ~150. That is at the level that most incels aren't going to be able to afford to go very often. They will just be bitter at only being able to afford 1/week while chad is getting laid 5x for free.

Right, but that level of bitterness is a lot less likely to turn into violence.

Take income inequality as an example. Let's say that me and most people I know have individual incomes of $80K a year, while the rich guys living a few blocks away each make $800K a year. Is there some jealousy? Maybe a bit, but I wouldn't really care that much because I still can afford good food, safe housing, and clean water. I may not be able to fly on a private jet, but I still can afford an occasional vacation.

Now let's say that the rich guys are making $800K/year, but my income and that of most people is now $8K/year instead of $80K/year. That means crappy food (if any), unsafe and/or overcrowded housing, lead in the water supply, and almost zero entertainment options. It wouldn't be just jealousy, you'd have a full-blown revolution on your hands.

Same thing with incels. An incel who can only afford once a week sex is a lot less likely to turn violent than one who can maybe afford one trip to Europe a year if he's lucky.

Your incel will be a lot closer to the 8k experience than the 80k one. Him having a bored girl service him for 15 mins isn't going do anything to remove the hate they have towards themselves and woman. Probably just up it. Seriously go read/watch any of the article/docs about this and you will see the trend doesn't change. The guys that going in hating woman, come out the same. The guys that go in respectful just turn into bigger suckers who totally get milked.

The good news is that there just aren't enough incels to matter. Most people develop a somewhat realistic expectation of their dating value and don't hold out for the impossible. As soon as Jamin realizes he needs to be dating 200lbers, his dating life will take off....

I would be broke

not a virgin wrote:Serious question. Assume that brothels would be taxed, and all prostitutes would be regularly checked for STDs and drug use.

I think it would boost the economy slightly, and rape would go down. Sure, the religious nuts may freak out, but the sky hasn't fallen in places like Germany, the Netherlands, and New Zealand, all of which have legal brothels.

At least you could rest assured that your sisters would all have a job.