How does Hasay go from also ran in 10k to one of best US marathoners in history

To put it in perspective.

In her half marathon she came through 10k in 31:56.

She ran 31:59 at Stanford in perfect conditions last year. Her PR is 31:39 at stanford, in perfect conditions. She ran 31:46 with male pacers the whole way in another track 10k.

If she was african, we'd scream doping. How's she do it?

Perhaps her tiny little body is more suited to distance/endurance?

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HOW so paula? wrote:

How does someone who spent several years trying to master the 10k and was an also ran, go on to be amonst the greats in the half and marathon. SHe's equal to Goucher, Flanagan, Huddle and the like. All who ran sub 15 for 5k, 30 minutes and change for 10k.

Hasay barely qualified for the trials int he 5k. She barely ran sub 32 for 10k on the track last year.

And now she's running half marathons at her 10k (on the track) pace? A 2:23 at Boston with the only US women who raced faster on Boston being an Olympic champ, an olympic medalist, and last years 6th place finisher in the Olympics.

It defies logic.

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rojo wrote:

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HOW so paula? wrote:

How does someone who spent several years trying to master the 10k and was an also ran, go on to be amonst the greats in the half and marathon. SHe's equal to Goucher, Flanagan, Huddle and the like. All who ran sub 15 for 5k, 30 minutes and change for 10k.

Hasay barely qualified for the trials int he 5k. She barely ran sub 32 for 10k on the track last year.

And now she's running half marathons at her 10k (on the track) pace? A 2:23 at Boston with the only US women who raced faster on Boston being an Olympic champ, an olympic medalist, and last years 6th place finisher in the Olympics.

It defies logic.

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Well I guess the 2nd poster is implying the whole group is on drugs but to me it's that she's made for the marathon just like Desi Linden.

You must remember that marathon is 4 times farther than a 10k.

I mean they have the same 10k track pbs. They both are 222-23 marathoners on a good day.

There 10k times convert to about 228 for a marathon. They are 6 minutes better than that just as Paula's 30:01 marathon equals about 2:20 for the marathon and she was 5 minutes better than that.

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You idiots are COMPLETELY MISSING the fact that she was INJURED the year before the Olympics. If she had the build up for the 10,000 that she has had the last year, I have no doubt in my mind she would be approaching 31:00 for the 10k. I don't think she could stay with Huddle, but she would have run much faster than her previous pr.

Her 1:07:55 actually shows she has the fitness to crush 31 minutes right now.

So she was injured in 2013, 2014,15, and 16?

All years when she ran a 10k on the track. None faster than 31:39?

And that's a pretty serious injury that kept her out in 2016...except she raced a full indoor and outdoor season, even PRing in the 3k in february. So maybe you are talking about the injury from 2015?

Let's not excuse our way out of it. Any way you slice and dice it, it's an unbelievable breakthrough.

The question, which I'll leave you to debate, is why.

She took the spikes off. It's that simple. Virtually all of JH's injuries were related to training and racing in spikes. She got out of the spikes and off the track and to a different type of running - one that her body can survive. She's the opposite of Molly Huddle in that sense.

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HOW so paula? wrote:

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rojo wrote:

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HOW so paula? wrote:

How does someone who spent several years trying to master the 10k and was an also ran, go on to be amonst the greats in the half and marathon. SHe's equal to Goucher, Flanagan, Huddle and the like. All who ran sub 15 for 5k, 30 minutes and change for 10k.

Hasay barely qualified for the trials int he 5k. She barely ran sub 32 for 10k on the track last year.

And now she's running half marathons at her 10k (on the track) pace? A 2:23 at Boston with the only US women who raced faster on Boston being an Olympic champ, an olympic medalist, and last years 6th place finisher in the Olympics.

It defies logic.

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Well I guess the 2nd poster is implying the whole group is on drugs but to me it's that she's made for the marathon just like Desi Linden.

You must remember that marathon is 4 times farther than a 10k.

I mean they have the same 10k track pbs. They both are 222-23 marathoners on a good day.

There 10k times convert to about 228 for a marathon. They are 6 minutes better than that just as Paula's 30:01 marathon equals about 2:20 for the marathon and she was 5 minutes better than that.

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Fair enough Rojo, but what about the half marathon?

Desi's half PR is 70+, good, but not great. Sure, tell me she's only run one while tired, but do we really think Desi would drop a 67 half? Hasay has run 68min and 67:55.

Even Canova says, the half marathon is based more on 10k ability.

So let's work on the assumption she is a born marathoner, how does she almost run her recent 10k ability/PR in the half?

And comparing to Paula doesn't help.

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HOW so paula? wrote:
she came through 10k in 31:56.

She ran 31:59 at Stanford in perfect conditions last year... She ran 31:46 with male pacers the whole way in another track 10k.
... How's she do it?

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Ever hear of Dick Beardsley?

Hasay's 1500/3000 PRs indicate sub-15/31 ability, but she has underperformed at those distances . From half marathon up she resumes her performance profile, with her marathon clearly being superior, but not outlandish based on her 4:07/8:46 PRs.

This is in contrast to Rupp, who has a stellar 10000 PR and decent 5000, but his actual road times have been sub-par, due to conditions mostly.

In addition to Hasay's injury history and the "made for the marathon" factor (both relevant imo), don't forget that she is still only 25. Flanagan, Goucher, Huddle were all older than that when they set their track PRs and quite a bit older when they moved up to the marathon.

I think there's no question that Hasay would obliterate her old PRs if she ran a track season this summer. Instead (like Linden) she is choosing to spend her prime years focusing on the marathon. Clearly working well for her!

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dasasdfa wrote:

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HOW so paula? wrote:

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rojo wrote:

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HOW so paula? wrote:

How does someone who spent several years trying to master the 10k and was an also ran, go on to be amonst the greats in the half and marathon. SHe's equal to Goucher, Flanagan, Huddle and the like. All who ran sub 15 for 5k, 30 minutes and change for 10k.

Hasay barely qualified for the trials int he 5k. She barely ran sub 32 for 10k on the track last year.

And now she's running half marathons at her 10k (on the track) pace? A 2:23 at Boston with the only US women who raced faster on Boston being an Olympic champ, an olympic medalist, and last years 6th place finisher in the Olympics.

It defies logic.

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Well I guess the 2nd poster is implying the whole group is on drugs but to me it's that she's made for the marathon just like Desi Linden.

You must remember that marathon is 4 times farther than a 10k.

I mean they have the same 10k track pbs. They both are 222-23 marathoners on a good day.

There 10k times convert to about 228 for a marathon. They are 6 minutes better than that just as Paula's 30:01 marathon equals about 2:20 for the marathon and she was 5 minutes better than that.

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Fair enough Rojo, but what about the half marathon?

Desi's half PR is 70+, good, but not great. Sure, tell me she's only run one while tired, but do we really think Desi would drop a 67 half? Hasay has run 68min and 67:55.

Even Canova says, the half marathon is based more on 10k ability.

So let's work on the assumption she is a born marathoner, how does she almost run her recent 10k ability/PR in the half?

And comparing to Paula doesn't help.

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Because the really good marathoners don't slow down much as the distance goes up. Most guys that run 28 min for the 10k, run 2:10-2:11 marathons. Some only run 2:14. Some run mid 2:08s.

68 mins is a better time than Jordans 10k time. But it isn't a crazy outlier. It is in the realm of good course and weather and having a great day.

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Hasay has run a road 10k in the same time as her track PB, about 31:40. I'd say running a flat road 10k has got to be at least 15 seconds slower than a 10000m.

Also, I'm pretty sure that many of her track 10ks have been run just aiming for Standards such as 32:00 or 32:15 for world champs.

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Jump to it wrote:

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dasasdfa wrote:

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HOW so paula? wrote:

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rojo wrote:

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HOW so paula? wrote:

How does someone who spent several years trying to master the 10k and was an also ran, go on to be amonst the greats in the half and marathon. SHe's equal to Goucher, Flanagan, Huddle and the like. All who ran sub 15 for 5k, 30 minutes and change for 10k.

Hasay barely qualified for the trials int he 5k. She barely ran sub 32 for 10k on the track last year.

And now she's running half marathons at her 10k (on the track) pace? A 2:23 at Boston with the only US women who raced faster on Boston being an Olympic champ, an olympic medalist, and last years 6th place finisher in the Olympics.

It defies logic.

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Well I guess the 2nd poster is implying the whole group is on drugs but to me it's that she's made for the marathon just like Desi Linden.

You must remember that marathon is 4 times farther than a 10k.

I mean they have the same 10k track pbs. They both are 222-23 marathoners on a good day.

There 10k times convert to about 228 for a marathon. They are 6 minutes better than that just as Paula's 30:01 marathon equals about 2:20 for the marathon and she was 5 minutes better than that.

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Fair enough Rojo, but what about the half marathon?

Desi's half PR is 70+, good, but not great. Sure, tell me she's only run one while tired, but do we really think Desi would drop a 67 half? Hasay has run 68min and 67:55.

Even Canova says, the half marathon is based more on 10k ability.

So let's work on the assumption she is a born marathoner, how does she almost run her recent 10k ability/PR in the half?

And comparing to Paula doesn't help.

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Because the really good marathoners don't slow down much as the distance goes up. Most guys that run 28 min for the 10k, run 2:10-2:11 marathons. Some only run 2:14. Some run mid 2:08s.

68 mins is a better time than Jordans 10k time. But it isn't a crazy outlier. It is in the realm of good course and weather and having a great day.

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So what you are saying is that if a 28min 10k guy ran 59:40 for the half marathon you wouldn't be surprised?

Please show me all the 59:40 half guys whose PR, after spending years on the track racing the 10k, is only 28:00?

That's right. There are none. That's the male equivalent of what Hasay did from the track 10k to her 67:55 half marathon.

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Jump to it wrote:

So she was injured in 2013, 2014,15, and 16?

All years when she ran a 10k on the track. None faster than 31:39?

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Shut the f u c k up

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whoooooo are you? wrote:

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Jump to it wrote:

So she was injured in 2013, 2014,15, and 16?

All years when she ran a 10k on the track. None faster than 31:39?

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http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/after-first-serious-injury-jordan-hasay-returns-to-racing

All you have to do is look at the times she ran and see how the injury affected her. She was steadily improving every year until the 2015 injury. After that, she ran OK times through 2016 but never really got back in form until late 16 and this year.

If she had the fitness she has now and was in that Olympic 10000, she would have run sub 31 easily.

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HOW so paula? wrote:

How does someone who spent several years trying to master the 10k and was an also ran, go on to be amonst the greats in the half and marathon. SHe's equal to Goucher, Flanagan, Huddle and the like. All who ran sub 15 for 5k, 30 minutes and change for 10k.

Hasay barely qualified for the trials int he 5k. She barely ran sub 32 for 10k on the track last year.

And now she's running half marathons at her 10k (on the track) pace? A 2:23 at Boston with the only US women who raced faster on Boston being an Olympic champ, an olympic medalist, and last years 6th place finisher in the Olympics.

It defies logic.

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