Cholesterol helps wrote:
There are many papers linking low cholesterol to blah blah....
There are many ultra healthy and long lived indigenous populations which low total cholesterol readings in the 90's, less than half the average for unhealthy Americans. So much for your medical theories.
My doctor told me there have been studies showing endurance athletes are more prone to depression after quitting endurance training.
muddygirl wrote:
Kathy Ormsby
I'm sceptical that running was the cause of those unfortunate happenings.
People usually run to calm themselves down.
Ormsby was dean`s list pre-med student, which was definitely high stress.
Herbst was in a stressful academic program as well.
Those were much likely the causes of their stressfulness.
"One of her NC State teammates, Wendy McLees, said in an interview with the Greensboro News & Record, "She's a perfectionist. She's always been a pusher. She'd even bring her notes [from pre-med studies] to our workouts so she could study.""
http://www.si.com/vault/1986/06/16/628991/and-then-she-just-disappeared
Kathy Ormsby attended Richmond Senior High School in NC, about an hour from where I grew up near Charlotte. My cousin actually trained with her in high school. He used to help her in workouts. She had a lot of state records back in the early 1980's. Solid talent. Who really knows what drives or haunts people within? Many factors contribute to a person "snapping" or "losing it." My cousin told me years later he was blown away by her doing that.
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sounds interesting wrote:
I have never read the Silence of Great Distance but I will definitely check it out. I have read She Was Once a Runner, a self published memoir written by a female college distance runner w/ a similar experience.
"The Silence of Great Distance" is deep and often disturbing. A lot of this is about getting one's body weight down for maximum endurance and then suffering the consequences, both mental and physical.
The book focuses on University of Wisconsin runners back when they were a powerhouse. However, the post-career problems of one of their more famous alumni (Suzy Hamilton) happened well past publication
girl watcher wrote:
The book focuses on University of Wisconsin runners back when they were a powerhouse. However, the post-career problems of one of their more famous alumni (Suzy Hamilton) happened well past publication
Really? Please elaborate. What problems has Hamilton had? I haven't heard of them and I'm sure Suzy wouldn't appreciate false rumors being spread about her supposed post career problems.
Out of the lupe wrote:
girl watcher wrote:The book focuses on University of Wisconsin runners back when they were a powerhouse. However, the post-career problems of one of their more famous alumni (Suzy Hamilton) happened well past publication
Really? Please elaborate. What problems has Hamilton had? I haven't heard of them and I'm sure Suzy wouldn't appreciate false rumors being spread about her supposed post career problems.
You're kidding right?
Total Nonsense ` wrote:
There are many ultra healthy and long lived indigenous populations which low total cholesterol readings in the 90's, less than half the average for unhealthy Americans. So much for your medical theories.
Oh so sorry, you're right, i see my theories are "Total Nonesense" after reading your brilliantly deep and wide ranging counter argument. Oh wait, those aren't my theories I didn't write those papers, it was just a bunch of stupid PhD researchers and medical professionals. Maybe they didn't have the clever logic to cherry pick one small sub culture and extrapolate unexamined mental illness to the rest of humanity. Hint - maybe don't bother with that law degree.
I'll add that the subject of this post is not indigenous. As for the "ultra healthy and long lived indigenous populations..." indigenous cultures actually have a shorter average life span compared to fat old white Americans. Even Native North American Indians have a shorter life span and they have access to the same health care. The longest living cultures by both average age and the most centurions are *not* indigenous. I'll leave that up to you to google.
And thanks for having such an open mind that considers all possibilities, you will surely go far and be a welcome participant to any and all discussions.
ray wrote:
Out of the lupe wrote:Really? Please elaborate. What problems has Hamilton had? I haven't heard of them and I'm sure Suzy wouldn't appreciate false rumors being spread about her supposed post career problems.
You're kidding right?
So you're confirming nobody has anything about SFH's problems. Mods should delete the original unfound rumors.
Fogrunr wrote:
Written about in The Silence of Great Distance.
Read it many years ago. Excellent book. One of the best books regarding the sport I've read.
DaneRauschenberg wrote:
May you be thinking of that girl from Penn who took the leap from a parking garage?
No. He's thinking of Kathy Ormsby
Total Nonsense ` wrote:
There are many ultra healthy and long lived indigenous populations which low total cholesterol readings in the 90's, less than half the average for unhealthy Americans. So much for your medical theories.
Cholesterol helps wrote:
those aren't my theories I didn't write those papers, it was just a bunch of stupid PhD researchers and medical professionals.
A feeble try on your part, separating yourself from the stupid claims while still trying to give them credence, simply because they were done by self serving medical cronies, like they would have any claim to intelligence, or better yet, morality.
But no, they do not.
Your remarks cry out with ignorance, but neither phase nor change reality.
The SI story was the definitive Ormsby story along with an article in the New York Times. I don't think she has ever commented publicly aside from "I don't know why I did it."
I taught an eighth grade class once that had about a dozen girls and one boy. We read the SI story in class. It was an intelligent group of kids. Someone said, "We should write to her." I gave the OK to do that but the only condition was no one could ask why she jumped. My kids wrote letters that contained depth and compassion way beyond their years.
It was a shock to get a letter at school that had "Ormsby" for a return address. Inside was a letter to me and a letter she wrote to my students. Kathy was very sweet. She detailed her life as it was at that time. She has a professional job where she helps people who have disabilities. She drives. She swims. She's very religious. She seemed at peace with herself.
There was another round of correspondence where my girls sent Kathy some type of gift and she responded with a box of candy and individual letters to everyone.The whole experience was very moving for all of us. I'm sure those thirteen kids will always remember her.
The one thing about the race that may have caused Kathy to snap (speculation here) was she set the collegiate record for the women's 10000 meters earlier in the season. Mid-way through that NCAA race, there were three or four women right with her in the lead pack. It was a much tougher race than she expected. Setting the record earlier that season may have inadvertently put her in a pressure situation that emotionally she couldn't handle.
Kathy is a very private person. Please don't try to contact her like we did. She lives in the present, not in the past. We all have to deal with pressure at some time in our lives and it's best to be compassionate before we judge others.
That's terrible, all the best to her.
Being a perfectionist or having a mindset of one can cause mental illness. For her to have the record and be the favorite, she had to win that race. It was not acceptable to lose. She could not deal with losing it in her perfectionist state of mind. But no one needs to judge her or anyone else. It's easy to criticize something you didn't do. Understanding is what's needed instead of judgments and criticism.
I read about these young ladies and truly can empathize with them. The sad thing is that I am in my 50's and that quest to be perfect in all aspects of life still often tortures me. I started running in my early 40's and am good enough to win age group awards but not much else and frankly, it's a good thing that I didn't start earlier in life (and wasn't a better runner) because I am quite sure I would ended up anorexic or suicidal.
Utah Girl Chronicles wrote:
The SI story was the definitive Ormsby story along with an article in the New York Times. I don't think she has ever commented publicly aside from "I don't know why I did it."
I taught an eighth grade class once that had about a dozen girls and one boy. We read the SI story in class. It was an intelligent group of kids. Someone said, "We should write to her." I gave the OK to do that but the only condition was no one could ask why she jumped. My kids wrote letters that contained depth and compassion way beyond their years.
It was a shock to get a letter at school that had "Ormsby" for a return address. Inside was a letter to me and a letter she wrote to my students. Kathy was very sweet. She detailed her life as it was at that time. She has a professional job where she helps people who have disabilities. She drives. She swims. She's very religious. She seemed at peace with herself.
There was another round of correspondence where my girls sent Kathy some type of gift and she responded with a box of candy and individual letters to everyone.The whole experience was very moving for all of us. I'm sure those thirteen kids will always remember her.
The one thing about the race that may have caused Kathy to snap (speculation here) was she set the collegiate record for the women's 10000 meters earlier in the season. Mid-way through that NCAA race, there were three or four women right with her in the lead pack. It was a much tougher race than she expected. Setting the record earlier that season may have inadvertently put her in a pressure situation that emotionally she couldn't handle.
Kathy is a very private person. Please don't try to contact her like we did. She lives in the present, not in the past. We all have to deal with pressure at some time in our lives and it's best to be compassionate before we judge others.
That was a very nice story. I'm sure Kathy enjoyed the concern you and your class gave her through the letters you sent. Nice job :)
Out of the lupe wrote:
ray wrote:You're kidding right?
So you're confirming nobody has anything about SFH's problems. Mods should delete the original unfound rumors.
If you aren't trolling, Maybe try going to Amazon to look at the book she authored before you cry to get a post deleted.
A lot of us have probably run races where there was a great deal on the line and things didn't turn out the way we wanted. I let a big race get away from me in HS and if there was a bridge nearby, I may have jumped off it. When things go badly and there isn't an alternative plan or coping skills, things can get very dark in a hurry. Sometimes it's shocking when races don't turn out as planned and you realize the competition was more loaded than your coach was telling you. In 1986 there was no internet and Kathy many not have known Stephanie Herbst and others were running times that were very close to hers.