Manzano runs horrible again

ScaryClown wrote:

Jeez,leave the dude alone. He's got my respect for a great career after coming from hardship.

What hardship did Leo come from that most people didn't come from? Who wasn't poor growing up? Does Leo think he came from hardship?

ukathleticcoach wrote:

Americans really have ruined the English language.

You guys are the assclowns adding Rs to every word.

iohigfhh wrote:

Was Manzano this inconsistent in college? I wonder if he's ever thought about returning to train under Vig. Vig was able to turn Robby Andrews around when he left Gags. Andrews was similar to Leo under Gags in that he was very inconsistent. Andrews isn't perfect by any means but he is certainly running better than he was a few years ago.

In the future do not refer to famous coaches as Vig (Vigil?) and Gags (Gagliano). How does that help anybody?

Most of your points are very valid (I know Leo casually and he's a very good egg) but if you don't think an olympic medalist is getting an appearance fee, I've a bridge to sell you. Doesn't matter that he's been crapping the bucket, he would run like sh** for 2 years and he'd still be getting an appearance fee, albeit MUCH smaller than the big ones he used to be able to command. All in all, I think he's always worth his fee, as he's great with the media and great with kids (the NYRR loves to have some of the athletes visit local schools and pump up the kids about running- Leo is really good at this sort of thing).

CORun wrote:

I doubt he knew in advance he was going to run 4:12. I am sure that if he knew he was going to run 4:12 he would not have started.

You gotta believe that he had some clue from his training that he would run much better than 4:12.

Its not like he was getting an appearance fee to show up. Even if he got a comp hotel or something it was not worth it.

What happened to Henry Wynne in the race?

Leo the Lioness wrote:

Can someone please explain? Injury? Illness? Old age? I know he has dropped some bombs over the years but if you knew you had nothing better than a 4:12 in you, would you show up? Complete lack of fvcks given?

Discuss.

Give the guy a break. He's had a long career. Achieved an Olympic Silver, NCAA title, US National titles, etc. Probably deserves the Olympic Gold maybe will get upgraded in the future. If the meet directors admit him that is their business. He is still a draw for certain demographics.

The usual thing to do when someone fast runs a bad race is to not say anything about it. It's not unusual for anyone, even a fast runner to have a bad race. Most any competitive race will have fast runners underperform by a lot if you actually look at the results and scroll down beyond the top 3.

For instance, in the Walmsley thread I did a quick look up of some finishers in the 2016 Boston Marathon. Here it is again.

I looked up the results of the 2016 Boston Marathon. I see 2:04 runner Tsegaye Mekonnen ran 2:22:21, 2:06 runner Michael Kipyego ran 2:27, 2:09 runner Jackson Kiprop ran 2:24:44, 2:09 runner Cuthbert Nyasango ran 2:22:02, and 2:11 runner Solonei Da Silva ran 2:24:54. That's just one race, and not counting the fast dudes that might have DNFed because they were just as slow or slower on that day.

ukathleticcoach wrote:

Americans really have ruined the English language.

Quite. Most Americans wouldn't know an adverb if it smacked them in the face.

Adverbs wrote:

ukathleticcoach wrote:

Americans really have ruined the English language.

Quite. Most Americans wouldn't know an adverb if it smacked them in the face.

Elaborate please.

+1

Its has to do with unbalance approach to training and racing at an older age.

Leo might have done himself a favor by moving up to 5k and kept his strength.

He has said over and over, Im a 1500/Miler guy.

Yes he was competitive but no more at a world class level.

If he follows this path, we will continue to see the embarrassing decline.

Bad bad and worse wrote:

Its has to do with unbalance approach to training and racing at an older age.

Leo might have done himself a favor by moving up to 5k and kept his strength.

He has said over and over, Im a 1500/Miler guy.

Yes he was competitive but no more at a world class level.

If he follows this path, we will continue to see the embarrassing decline.

Don't think 5k is the answer.

The dude was on his first US 1500m podium in 2006. Here are the other people that were in that final:

Bernard Lagat (still killing it but has lost plenty of steps and is GOAT American distance runner)

Gabe Jennings

Chris Lukezic

Christian Smith

Rob Meyers

Aucencio Martinez (who?)

Jason Lunn

Adam Perkins

Blake Boldon

Sean O'Brien

That should answer your question.

Johnny come lately wrote:

iohigfhh wrote:

Was Manzano this inconsistent in college? I wonder if he's ever thought about returning to train under Vig. Vig was able to turn Robby Andrews around when he left Gags. Andrews was similar to Leo under Gags in that he was very inconsistent. Andrews isn't perfect by any means but he is certainly running better than he was a few years ago.

In the future do not refer to famous coaches as Vig (Vigil?) and Gags (Gagliano). How does that help anybody?

And while we're at it, guys like quit it with this "MJ" nonsense. His full name is Michael Jordan, use it please!

Fetch wrote:

Adverbs wrote:

Quite. Most Americans wouldn't know an adverb if it smacked them in the face.

Elaborate please.

Runs horrible? Meaningless. Runs horribly.