Laura MF Muir 3:55

Deanouk wrote:

jjjjjj wrote:

Murphy ran a 45.4 relay split in 2014 or 2015 already, so hardly unreasonable to see him running 1:42.93 this year. For Muir to have that kind of talent as a woman, she'd have a pr around 51-52 instead of 55. Or she'd have 14:40s or better, instead of 15:40s.

That's not a very helpful comparison.

For a start 800m is a lot closer to 400 than 1500.

Secondly, a woman running 3:55 does not have to be able to run 51 or 52 for a 400m! Where did you get that figure from?

What's Semenya's 400 pb? Around 50.8? And she's probably capable of 1:53 for 800m. Doesn't mean she's going to be faster than Muir over 1500!

How do you know what sort of 400m speed Muir shows in training? She might have run a 53.5, which is probably a more realistic time for someone with her 1500 ability.

But you're not paying attention to the second half of the argument: if she doesn't have the speed, she must have the endurance. A 1500 runner will lean toward being an 8/15 runner or a 15/3k/5k runner. So if her 8 stagnated at 2, she is obviously not speed-based, and her 3:55 would come from sub-15 5k endurance. Semenya is speed-based, so her 15 should be worse than her 4, showing that her 800 prowess comes from her 400 speed, rather than her 1500 endurance.

kimani wrote:

But you're not paying attention to the second half of the argument: if she doesn't have the speed, she must have the endurance. A 1500 runner will lean toward being an 8/15 runner or a 15/3k/5k runner. So if her 8 stagnated at 2, she is obviously not speed-based, and her 3:55 would come from sub-15 5k endurance. Semenya is speed-based, so her 15 should be worse than her 4, showing that her 800 prowess comes from her 400 speed, rather than her 1500 endurance.

There is no argument, just assumptions. No one here knows what her 400m race time would be now. The 55.xx earlier this year was indoors and was run the same day she ran 2:00.xx indoors! That indoor 800m time would have earned 4th place at the 2016 World Indoor Championships (which included 2 of this year's Olympic medalists). That time would have earned a a bronze medal at the 2014 World Indoor Championships. So, obviously she has great 800m speed.

No one knows how fast she can run 3000m. The 8:38 was from 15 months ago and it opened her outdoor season. It was the 7th fastest outdoor 3000m in 2015 and all but one of those was run later in the season.

Also, some people are just better at certain distances - that's why they focus on that distance. Their PRs from adjoining races are guides only, and are not definitive. Look at Rudisha - his official 400 PR is 45-low to mid, but when he ran 1.40, he would have gone sub-45. However, they don't run those other races when in their top championship shape.

Maybe Muir doesn't quite have the speed to be good at 800, and doesn't quite have the endurance, or the type of endurance, to excel at 3k or 5k. This is why she specialises at 1500, and she's better at it than the adjoining events.

Muir is a doper. This is fact. How can a white girl coming out of relative obscurity run a time that has been passed on a few times by athletes with known drug history. Muir is part of the state-sonspored doping just like farah and butchart and all the other "talent" coming out of Britain right now. British white girls do not run that fast, period. It's a shame that clean Americans (simpsons, rowbury) have to face up against this. They should boycott.

fred wrote:

Muir is not anywhere near Steve Ovett.

"Steve Ovett: Personal Records

200m-21.7

400m-47.0r/ 47.5

800-1:44.09

1500-3:30.77

5000m-13:20.06

Hey leave poor Steve Ovett out of this would ya, I'd have a mental break down if he wasn't clean.

theyre doping their swimmers,cyclists,elite track and field stars,rowers,canoists,triathletes and weightlifters.steroid use is absolutely rife in british gyms(even worse than usa),and huge numbers of would be body builders,and gym junkies are on the stuff.because laura is white,shes assumed to be clean.i thought she was doping last year at the world championships,and i havent changed my mind,since then.

She was probably running on pure hate since she didn't medal in Rio. It works for the 1500 if you train your hate endurance.

jeff tallon wrote:

theyre doping their swimmers,cyclists,elite track and field stars,rowers,canoists,triathletes and weightlifters.steroid use is absolutely rife in british gyms(even worse than usa),and huge numbers of would be body builders,and gym junkies are on the stuff.because laura is white,shes assumed to be clean.i thought she was doping last year at the world championships,and i havent changed my mind,since then.

Sadly there is some truth to this, because of the EU PEDs can be acquired from Eastern Europe and I bet that half the supplements their top athletes are using are laced with PEDs just like Frank Shorter was saying about OTC creatine in the US.

fred!

Update:

Olympians have been training here in Flagstaff.

http://online.fliphtml5.com/rmkd/yjxj/#p=2

Then they went to Rio. Some of them won medals.

How many medals did they win?

https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/a.181731141864880.32731.154386924599302/1058900704147915/?type=3&theater

The correct answer is:

33

That is just a coincidence.

http://www.hypo2sport.com/total-hemoglobin-mass-testing-the-gold-standard/

http://www.hypo2sport.com/high-performance-services/biomarkerslab-testing/

http://www.hypo2sport.com/high-performance-services/physiologicalperformance-testing/

https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/a.181731141864880.32731.154386924599302/1056106101094042/?type=3&theater

Some of the Olympians have finally come back. I saw Kim Conley running on Saturday…looking fit and fast.

The Brit Ban is still in effect.

Brits always run on the wrong side of the trail.

Why do they always have to put up their flag everywhere? It is an annoyance.

Please stop it Brits:

https://www.facebook.com/hypo2/photos/a.181731141864880.32731.154386924599302/999936883377631/?type=3&theater

Oh boy.

Worth nothing that in 2012, she won the Scottish junior indoor 400m AND x-country titles within a fortnight of each other. Of course you can always question the strength of the opposition but there are very, very few people who can pull off a double like that

hickdickdoc wrote:

Worth nothing that in 2012, she won the Scottish junior indoor 400m AND x-country titles within a fortnight of each other. Of course you can always question the strength of the opposition but there are very, very few people who can pull off a double like that

She ran 57.3 to win that 400m, lol.

indoor cross country?

Simpson? Clean? LOL.Jenny Simpson is doping. She just hasn't been caught by the public, yet. But a lot of people on LetsRun know.

gtsi wrote:

Muir is a doper. This is fact. How can a white girl coming out of relative obscurity run a time that has been passed on a few times by athletes with known drug history. Muir is part of the state-sonspored doping just like farah and butchart and all the other "talent" coming out of Britain right now. British white girls do not run that fast, period. It's a shame that clean Americans (simpsons, rowbury) have to face up against this. They should boycott.

Just admit it wrote:

Totally wrong. Nice attempt to cover your homosexuality though.

Trolls who call Mo Farah a doper to piss off his fans can be tolerated because there are genuine reasons to suspect him of doping.

Trolls who insult Galen Rupp to piss off his fans can be tolerated because none of it will be taken seriously. Nobody is going to believe he is an elf.

The trolls calling Niyonsaba a dude - nearly all of whom appeared after Semenya's return - are believed, and it is out of control to the point where pro athletes are implying it as accepted fact on television, though there is not a shred of evidence and plenty to the contrary. Doing it just to troll me is subhuman, and it doesn't even work. You've tried like three times and all you keep getting is cold water.

Still shits and giggles for you at your keyboard, I guess. But after you think about how I've been manipulating you to make this point, maybe it won't be so funny to you either.

For others blind enough to think a 5 foot 1 woman with wide hips and narrow shoulders is a man just for having muscle, maybe this will cure you

Nobody ever accused that hulk on the right of being a man, though some of them trashed her for drifting a few lanes in the homestretch. I made them look like idiots too.

Anabolic steroids are boring and testing can detect use for months after one single IM injection of nandrolone.

For example:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26853157

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27154828

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23317577

Anabolic steroids are not as cool as xenon or krypton noble gas inhalation.

Anabolic steroids are old and boring.

Go Bad Wigins!

I have no idea what you are talking about…but I don't really care. You are usually correct about things…such as the WiginsShavedHead™ performance enhancement used by Eliud Kipchoge…and … the harmonic wave frequency generator in the left thigh of Eliud Kipchoge.

My response to that photo:

Go Ajee Wilson!!!

Go Kate Grace!!!

Don't let the troll boy get to you Bado Wiginisio.

We can do plyometric jumps to feel more perky.

http://www.wc-news.com/wc-news-content/hottest-olimpic-girls/high/DaryaKlishina-bikini-jumper.jpg

Then we can take a run.

http://members.bareface.com/enews/magnet/2013/feb/images/pic_05.jpg

Then we can just relax.

http://www.wc-news.com/wc-news-content/hottest-olimpic-girls/high/DaryaKlishina-bikini-jumper.jpg

OK?

Correction (wrong photo):

Then we can just relax.

http://pics.wikifeet.com/Darya-Klishina-Feet-1475953.jpg

OK?

rjm33 wrote:

Go Bad Wigins!

I have no idea what you are talking about…but I don't really care. You are usually correct about things…such as the WiginsShavedHead™ performance enhancement used by Eliud Kipchoge…and … the harmonic wave frequency generator in the left thigh of Eliud Kipchoge.

My response to that photo:

Go Ajee Wilson!!!

Go Kate Grace!!!

Go Galen!!!