Victor Conte warns of rampant Super-Drug being abused at Worlds

Leirbag wrote:

Why can't we just accept it is part of the sport, just like with NFL, Futbol (remember when Iniesta's full doping program was revealed), MLB, Cycling etc.?

I have no issues with it. This is purely entertainment and I enjoy it.

It's the same arguments as baseball, football, etc. Though, most of the other sports rarely enforce it, they need to put up a front like they are.

You let the top athletes dope, and it slowly trickles down in the years to your son needing to dope to make the local league championship for high school. You open the flood gates, you really let the water take out the village.

Does Conte have any record of supplying accurate information post-Balco?

Any record at all?

ROFL, TOP 3 IN THE 400 METERs GO UNDER 44 SECONDS... DOPING IS RAMPANT.

Van Niekerk 43.4?

3 sub 10 sprinters out of nowhere?

After that, I think Caster Semenya is the cleanest athlete in the South African Team.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Does Conte have any record of supplying accurate information post-Balco?

Any record at all?

He consulted Jamaican sprinting on the "formula" for success. Look how well they have been doing in the last 10 years or so.

el Cerebro wrote:

Kiprop becomes 3rd man ever under 3min26 - only El G (from EPO era) and Lagat (caught cheat) are now ahead

I smiled when I read this. My completely speculative guess/stance has been there is a non-aerobic boosting (by that I mean a drug like EPO that helps 1500m-marathon or the more aerobic events) one-day super booster out there and Conte says this. Classic

Kiprop is clean. Look at his progression since he was 18 years old. He's shown he has the ability to challenge the WR at some point when he was only a teen. If not for the record being set by a rampant doper he would have it. Either Kiprop was doping before he was any good or he's been clean the whole time. He hasn't had any huge improvements. I wouldn't count a less than 1 second improvement a year too crazy to ask for in your early-mid 20s. The others you listed are possible dopers as they have had tremendous breakthroughs.

Pants Afire wrote:

L Liar LiarLiar wrote:

"ADuck" has never posted about this. Only about Conte's rep in the bay area being one of a desperate attention seeker with printed out photos from the internet lining his office of athletes he supposedly worked with.

A Duck has printed out photos lining his office, and entire home, of athletes he supposedly "knows."

by "A Duck" you mean Eric Lindsey. Because that is who A Duck is. Eric Lindsey. Stalker-creep extraordinaire.

crete wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Does Conte have any record of supplying accurate information post-Balco?

Any record at all?

He consulted Jamaican sprinting on the "formula" for success. Look how well they have been doing in the last 10 years or so.

Post-Balco? When and where?

Is this just a claim on his part or is it confirmed somewhere?

Did he publicize this?

Kiprop... I can see him being clean.

But what if we had a very good 5k guy with a previous PB of 3:33, drop to 3:26 this year. Oh, and then close a tactical 1500 with a 1:42.9 for the last 800m. What would people think???

Anyone know anything about this new PED called AGTH-2 that Conte tweeted about?

Supposedly?

Ok, this issue about the emergence of fast times actually has some reason for it.

Check the 92 Olympic final for women. Check the 96 Olympic final for women. Is there any Kenyan or Ethiopians even in there?

The answer is no, it is has more to do with the organization of sport and social norms of those countries. There weren't many women training hard from those countries.

So while the men saw the likes of Daniel Komen, Haile Geb, Wilson Kipketer, Bernard Lagat... we didn't really see what the women could do.. up until now.

And before we call Dibaba doped, well Hassan who trains in the Netherlands and Kipyego both ran near the same split for the final 800. All three doped? Odds are no...they are just big talents.

Women's middle distance is not as developed as the men's side just yet, so we are getting awkward conversions that we try to apply to the men's stats.

Leirbag wrote:

Why can't we just accept it is part of the sport, just like with NFL, Futbol (remember when Iniesta's full doping program was revealed), MLB, Cycling etc.?

I have no issues with it. This is purely entertainment and I enjoy it.

We don't want athletes to win medals in the lab rather than on the track. Who has the best drugs should be the deciding factor. Also we need to think about the health of the athlete in the long term and the knock on effect this has in putting off parents from getting there children to participate.

Justin Gatlin is on this stuff as was Carmelita Jeter for the past 5 years....

doping is here to stay wrote:

Fentrekker wrote

Clearly you have watched too many formulaic crime shows where the guy they get to testify knows "the key to it all". It ain't like that, and clearly you did not read much about the people who tried to get straight answers out of Conte. Sure, he helped some of the most stupid athletes cheat. But he is not the expert he makes himself out to be. But if it makes you feel good to follow the media circus, go ahead. I'd rather be looking for some young biochemists who are not convicted felons, who have been properly trained, and get them passionate about catching the cheaters and their helpers.

well yea, but the best chemists are on the dark side. that's why the testers and never ahead of the tested.

I know you're making a blanket knee-jerk statement, but that's not at all true. Chemists on yoda's side of the force are subject to far more regulations in testing.

That is one of the most interesting things for me, where/how these drugs get tested since we really have no idea of the long-term ramifications (cocaine seems much safer to me than a synthetic injectable).

It's also a lot more difficult to create a test to identify specific abnormalities before knowing what those abnormalities are, even when it's generally known that things like testosterone level, etc would be the logical cues. For something like adrenaline or the alleged new amphetamine-like supplement, there are probably blood chemistry signs, but they would be difficult to immediately attribute to a new drug over something "legal" or even naturally arrived at.

I think encouraging coaches to stuff hormone pills down their high school kids' throats is a fantastic idea. You must all be geniuses.

If FCB didn't pay for Lionel Messi's growth hormone injections the world would have been robbed of the greatest soccer player ever.

Off topic though.

The real topic should be the proliferation of easily accessible, cheap, "research chemicals" though China, which are completely unstoppable and are proliferating down to the high school level as we speak. Plus, the wave of analogues and new chemicals in the "pipeline" of unassailable efficacy.

1.

There are no new peds coming out of china

All about one igf-1 and what it can do ,

Not New, being around since liu xiang

yes Rampant use now especially

amongst other countries st africa ,kenya

but was rampant use amongst jamicans

from 2008 and select few others.

2.

Super ped dont think so, need to start with

good athlete and then still need to balance so many other variables .,strength endurance ,recovery etc and aid them.

3.

Conte never states how used.

Training aspect that will force progression

especially with younger athlete.

And then raceing aspect where need to take to peak peak cycle from weeks out

( one shot do nothing) and regardless if can take on day or in beijing .

Ready and super charged nervous sys.

I wonder what type of side effects these new drugs have. I remember back in the day reading about the side effects experienced by some of those taking the clear. Sounded nasty.