alberto comes across as a jerk. that doesn't make him guilty
alberto comes across as a jerk. that doesn't make him guilty
yeah it says that they don't want to give some off the cuff statement that vengeful people will use to hang them later, but take their time, review the allegations with their counsel and respond completely and defensibly. unless you think that if after arrest you don't give a statement to the cops right away you're instantly guilty? yeah that would be a great country to live in.
siksikayi wrote:
alberto comes across as a jerk. that doesn't make him guilty
No, it just means he's a jerk. That doesn't help perception of recent events, but it's his misconduct -- lying, cheating and worse -- that makes him guilty.
cheating? prove it
siksikayi wrote:
yeah it says that they don't want to give some off the cuff statement that vengeful people will use to hang them later, but take their time, review the allegations with their counsel and respond completely and defensibly. unless you think that if after arrest you don't give a statement to the cops right away you're instantly guilty? yeah that would be a great country to live in.
They had the allegations for over a month prior to the programme; how much time do they need?
rojo wrote:
i luv everybody wrote:Bingo. We have a winner.B/c "WE"(jo/Wojo/etc) like Ritz, Levins, Hasay, etc. At least like them more than Rupp, Farah and Centro.
Let the mob continue....
Not true.
In fact, when I've been talking to people about these allegations for the last 3 + years, I've always said, "So what about Ritz, (Hasay, Rowbury), etc?"
"Do you think everyone was doped?" was a question I always asked people. The response I almost always got in return was, "No. There was an super insider 'A' team and then everyone else."
Regardless, it seems pretty clear to me if these allegations are true it's likely not widespread EPO team type doping you get with the TDF. If that was the case, then Magness and the Gouchers would have even more stuff to talk about.
It's a little prescription drug here that you shouldn' tbe taking or don't have a prescription for, a little andro gel the night before a race when you get your massage (maybe without even knowing), a random pill out of a book there (that you might assume is for allergy)
"HEy we're just getting you back up to normal."
It doesn't take much. The difference between being an also ran on the circuit like Ryan Hill is now as a pro or Rupp was for much of his college career isn't much. If you are always recoverd and always able to hammer your workouts, then bombs away.
Who are the "people" you always asked? If you expect want your claim to be anything but your opinion you need to name names of the people you spoke with and provide details of their answers to your questions.
Otherwise you truly give the impression of what I accused you of, differential treatment based on your personal dispositions.
Point of order wrote:
siksikayi wrote:yeah it says that they don't want to give some off the cuff statement that vengeful people will use to hang them later, but take their time, review the allegations with their counsel and respond completely and defensibly. unless you think that if after arrest you don't give a statement to the cops right away you're instantly guilty? yeah that would be a great country to live in.
They had the allegations for over a month prior to the programme; how much time do they need?
Did they get a preview of the program before it was aired?, if not they wouldn't know what the allegations were until it was.
Don't telegraph your punches. wrote:
Point of order wrote:They had the allegations for over a month prior to the programme; how much time do they need?
Did they get a preview of the program before it was aired?, if not they wouldn't know what the allegations were until it was.
No, I don't think they saw the documentary before it aired, but I know that AlSal had detailed e-mail correspondence with David Epstein that covered all of the main points made in the documentary. I'd be surprised if that correspondence wasn't reviewed by someone in the General Counsel's office at Nike and by Ricky Simms.
I think the delay in responding is tactical. If discussion of the article and documentary steadily diminishes, they'll keep waiting and on some Friday afternoon say the charges aren't worth a detailed reply. If the controversy grows, they'll go into full point-by-point rebuttal mode.
Mo is going to be key. If Mo leaves AlSal, the story will flame up in a big way in the UK and might even make the sports pages in the US. If Mo goes, others will almost certainly follow, but I'm not sure any other NOP athlete is a strong enough player to be likely to walk away against Nike's wishes. [Mary Cain might separate from AlSal with Nike's blessing, but only because there are other factors that can make an amicable split look plausible.]
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