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    Dewey_Runner

    Member since 03/12/2014.

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    8 years ago 05/16/2015 2:45pm EDT
    re: ventolin^3

    ventolin^3 wrote:

    rojo wrote:Souleiman is a beats. Sub 13:20 and sub 1:44 in the span of 3 weeks.

    Took me a minute or so to figure out where he is going this year with 1500

    Now, I expected if this was a perfect 800, he wouda gone ~ 1'42-high beforehand

    ( this meet obviously a disaster for everyone in field except him )

    I didn't realise what a 13'20 in a tactical race for him meant

    It probably means he has current "extrapolated" 5k ability of 13'00 / 13'05 flat-out

    ( "extrapolated", meaning like Rudy has "extrapolated 3'26 / 3'27 ability at 800 peak but more like realistic 3'35 - huge drop off in predicted ability after 1k race distance as does only 800 training )

    Now, Souly probably has 47.0 current speed, which is par for most elite 1500 guys

    47.00 / 13'05 ->

    1'42.67

    2'11.83 !!

    3'27.26 !!

    47.00 / 13'00 ->

    1'42.45 !!

    2'11.47 !!!

    3'26.47 !!!

    He is definitely capable of the 1k WR this year in an ideal race with small field & get to lane 1 early

    I thought it strange his flash quote was :

    http://doha.diamondleague.com/lists-results/timetable-2015/#contentTabFrame#/live/sports/at/at/js/mappings/metaScreens/flashQuotes#FlashInit#Doha2015_FLASHINTERVIEW_json

    Interviewed Athlete:

    SOULEIMAN Ayanleh

    I am happy that I beat a lot of big names here in Doha, but that is my goal for this year. I want to win all the races until the end of the season including World Championship in Beijing, where I will run 1500m. This 800m is just a good preparation for my main discipline. Doha is my place. I feel here like at home

    I wondered why he wasn't really interested in 800 for Peking after whupping lotta top 800 guys

    Answer is, he probably is capable of running around 3'27-flat right now !!!

    Do people actually believe in this pseudo math bs?

    Souleiman in shape to run faster than anybody did last year, in MAY? Sure buddy. What's smoking crack and browsing the LRC message boards like? Must be a hell of a time.

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    agip

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    8 years ago 05/16/2015 2:53pm EDT
    re: Dewey_Runner

    Dewey_Runner wrote:

    Souleiman in shape to run faster than anybody did last year, in MAY? Sure buddy. What's smoking crack and browsing the LRC message boards like? Must be a hell of a time.

    I don't believe in ventolin's cwazy maths, but I do know that many athletes peak too early - we have no idea, but there would be nothing unusual if soul man got into too good shape in May instead of August. Sh%t happens in track.

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    8 years ago 05/16/2015 4:56pm EDT
    re: wtfunny

    I agree 100% with this your post , thanks for your insight

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    ventolin^3

    Member since 04/26/2010.

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    8 years ago 05/19/2015 12:49am EDT
    re: Dewey_Runner

    Dewey_Runner wrote:Souleiman in shape to run faster than anybody did last year, in MAY? Sure buddy. What's smoking crack and browsing the LRC message boards like? Must be a hell of a time.

    clueless

    above were for "perfect" 1500

    silas last year ran 3'27.6 with a 53.9 finish !!!

    in a "perfect" race with even pace thruout & meaning only enough to muster a 55+ finish, he wouda probably gone ~ 3'26-mid/high in a "perfect" race

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    ventolin^3

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    8 years ago 05/19/2015 12:56am EDT
    re: wtfunny

    wtfunny wrote:Running a half marathon nearly 2 months ago doesn't "mess up" anyone's speed

    you are joking

    guy was in awesome 2 mile shape beforehand & has ruined his speed with that 1/2M

    Mo ran a solid race, he just got caught by surprise by Hagos toward the end of the backstraight. He waited til the home straight to pass, rather than try to run 3 wide on the bend, but couldn't catch the Hagos

    nonsense

    mo ran something like a 54+ in a pedestrian 7'35+++

    in peak-speed shape, he shouda expected 52 or even 51s on that last lap

    his speed was gone

    Hagos ran a faster last lap iirc than Mo in the WC 5000 2 years ago, so it shouldn't be a real surprise that Mo couldn't pass him in the final 100m.

    Hagos has run 12:47.53 .. so it's not like Mo got beat by some hack

    he hasn't been anywhere close to 12'47 shape past coupla years

    he already looked finished

    i still don't think he's in anywhere close to that 12'47 shape & may never be

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    wtfunny

    Member since 07/02/2012.

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    8 years ago 05/19/2015 3:10am EDT
    re: ventolin^3

    wtfunny wrote:Running a half marathon nearly 2 months ago doesn't "mess up" anyone's speed

    ventolin^3 wrote:

    you are joking

    guy was in awesome 2 mile shape beforehand & has ruined his speed with that 1/2M

    No. I'm not joking. A 1/2M 2 months ago has zero affect on his speed.

    ventolin^3 wrote:

    nonsense

    mo ran something like a 54+ in a pedestrian 7'35+++

    in peak-speed shape, he shouda expected 52 or even 51s on that last lap

    his speed was gone

    So was Asbel's. Did he run a 1/2M? How about Silas? Aman? What about Tommy Longosiwa? He ran an very pedestrian last lap in the 3000m.

    It wasn't 7'35+++. It was 7'38.22. Nearly 20 seconds slower than you and your calculator "predicted".

    ventolin^3 wrote:

    he hasn't been anywhere close to 12'47 shape past coupla years

    he already looked finished

    i still don't think he's in anywhere close to that 12'47 shape & may never be

    A 12:47 runner is a great athlete. And a 12:47 runner at his age has potential to come back in to shape easy enough. Not that he necessarily will, but he very well may. Neither of us know that at all. He got silver in WCs in 2013, and ran a solid last lap then (faster than Mo, iirc). But he's been up and down. Mo losing to an athlete of his caliber isn't a disaster. And it certainly isn't because Mo ran a 1/2M 2 months ago.

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