Since I spent the better part of 15 minutes to read this tripe I feel as qualified as the next guy to comment on it. I especially liked the part that says,
"For a more in-depth explanation of what happened, look here. If you don't want to know the truth, don't look. Your choice."
The truth?? It's all in her own personal rhetoric. Hardly biased by any means (notion of sarcasm here folks). Her website is read like a trashy tabloid. Too frickin funny.
WAIT! HOLD ON!
Karen Freberg is one of the most well-balanced people I know - she has a chip on both shoulders...
Here's a woman who looks like a man who throws out the sexual harassment card shortly after meeting her coach. If there are ten uglier women in the United States, I'd like to see them. Ultimately, how far you can throw a sphere won't make any difference if you has the twisted notion that you're above following the rules.
Any elite athlete who has to rally up support on DyeStat and letsrun really needs professional counseling.
would you harass this woman? - even if every other woman in the world was dead, and it was a choice between her and Michael Jackson?
Jacko never looked so cute.
Who wouldn't love to have a full scholarship and not have to follow the stupid NCAA schedule. You're a pro now - enjoy it!
Pro women discus throwers are making solid coin these days.
I think you mean now Karen Freberg can now work at Costco instead of at K-Mart. She'd be great tossing those pallets up on the racks.
Hey Karen,
You suck!
It's about time we have a woman for President of this country.
In response to A), people should not keep their training secret. Only an insecure coach would want that to happen. Everyone does pretty similar stuff anyway. Who cares who knows what training you are doing? If they decide to copy it they still have to do hard work and most likely the training wouldn't be as specifically good as for the athlete it was designed for (or maybe the coach just gives the same workout to all athletes and wants to hide the fact that they are a shit coach)B) A good athelte coach relationship is meant to be just that, a relationship. It is meant to be a two way thing. The problem with the NCAA is that the coaches are in positions of immense power (controlling scholarships etc). This often puts coaches in the situation where they cannot learn from their athletes (probably the most important aspect of coaching).E) that contract was a joke if you read it. C)
Holland Nass wrote:
It would be interesting to hear the coach's side of the story. One can infer from the contract that:
A) She was posting her training regiment on her website. As a coach, I would appreciate if the training program that I was administering to my athletes were not posted on the Internet for the competition to see.
B) She was not doing as the coaches were advising, and while ignoring the coaching staff, was vocally or using body language to emphasize her disrespect.
C) She was supplementing her training program with additional workouts, while not under the advisement of the coaching staff. Her pereived attitude of having more knowledge than the coaches raised the risk her injury, something a coach does not want to happen ever. But, since Karen was an athlete, ignoring the coach put his investment at risk.
D) She was not showing up to practice consistently, and when she did show up, she was disruptive.
E) When asked to cease and desist being a pain in the ass and just being a coachable athlete, Karen reluctantly agreed to sign the contract.
I think Karen needs to congratulated for a stellar career and her placing at the Oly Trials, but her website comes nowhere near giving the visitors to her site any insight as to why she was dismissed. Given her vague explanations versus the very clear dismissal letter from the coach, I think the coach did the right thing.
WTF??? wrote:
In response to A), people should not keep their training secret. Only an insecure coach would want that to happen. Everyone does pretty similar stuff anyway. Who cares who knows what training you are doing? If they decide to copy it they still have to do hard work and most likely the training wouldn't be as specifically good as for the athlete it was designed for
you cannot be serious
yes, training is mostly the same, but you think wisconsin or stanford or arkansas wants everybody in the world to know what's going on with them? what the workouts are, who looks good and who looks injured, what the lineups are going to be?
so many people on message boards speculate about that stuff, and it's amazing how misinformed they are
what ever happended with this situation?
The biggest joke about that contract is that the relationship between the coach and athlete finally deteriorated to the point where the coach felt compelled to make the athlete sign a contract stipulating:
Not to post anything Gator Track Team related on her web site. Not entirely unreasonable.
The athlete would be required to show up to practice and rehab sessions. This has to be put into a contract?
The athlete would do what the coaches said and not be disruptive at practice. This has to be put into a contract?
The athlete would NOT do what the coaches did NOT say to do in regards to TRAINING. This has to be put into a contract?
Let me ask you: Were you on a scholarship or the member of a collegiate program? Did you do your own thing, or did you follow the direction of the coach? If you did not agree with the coach, did you think that you could do your own thing and still remain a member of the team?
Karen is very talented, and she used her talent to make it to the Oly Trials. If she did not like the program at Florida, then she should have simply quit instead of trying to do her own thing while remaining an official team member.
This whole thing is obviously much more than what we are being led to believe. Coaches are not given free reign with an athlete's scholarship, either. They are not at the whim of pulling an athletic scholarship commitment just for the heck of it. There are procedures involved. I've dealt with athletes who did not show up to practice, were basically disruptive and no longr produced. It is and was easier to kick these athletes off of the team and continue to pay their scholarship commitment than to try and kick them off and revoke a scholarship. About the only thing a coach can do is prove non-performance, and those claims are easy for the athlete to refute by claiming injuries.
Stop defending Karen and give us more facts.
Yikes! sex misconduct charges -- talk about legal liability, you better make sure you got that proven in spades or contact the brojos and beg them to delete that post for you!
Free legal advice - take it, don't, whatever.
Karen, You're one hell of a tough guy!
You need to take this thread off the board.It's bad for Karen, it's bad for track, and it's bad for letsrun.Don't misunderstand me I really enjoy talking trash to other 13 year olds and spreading misinformation but this is going to turn ungly and legal real fast folks.I am out of here like Billy The Kid.
Criticism and Free Speech are not mutually exlcusive. There are several ways to constructively deal with training you don't understand or care for.
The fact that your coaches got to the point that they made you sign a contract is so beyond the pale of reasonability on your part, it can't be as simple as you display.
It appears that Karen is not letting us know the real story. Going through her website is an adventure in itself because it's so hard to navigate and understand. It also appears that you don't have as many supporters as you think because you fail to provide any clear information.
Billy the Kid wrote:Don't misunderstand me I really enjoy talking trash to other 13 year olds and spreading misinformation but this is going to turn ungly.
I love this site.
My experience with throwers is that most have a bigger chip on their shoulder than any distance runner could ever have. What a bunch of f***ing cry babies! Whah! Whah !Whah!
As for Karen, I read most of her story and I must say that it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to spell out 'prima donna' in this case. That's OK though, her rose tinted glasses seem thick enough to think it's a compliment. Spin baby spin.
Sue that stupid motherf***er!!!
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