where's all the wetmore defenders now?!?

where is your great dynasty ?You seem to be sipping tea oh so quietly!

You're digging pretty deep into the well aren't you? All the way back to Falcon (shortened career), O'Mara et al? These Wetmore guys all competed in the US Olympic Trials in 2004, far more than any other school.

And has anyone heard of Aaron Blondeau? He did 40 miles per week at CU and ran 13:51 for the 5,000 because he and Wetmore determined that was all his body could handle. Blondeau cross-trained.

Ritz obviously has a congenital bone density problem.

i defend wetmore, he makes me more wet

"A ship in the harbor is safe. But that's not what ships are built for." - Anonymous

Who the hell used my name?

Everybody puts this guy down but who do you think is a good coach? who is working with talented athletes and getting results?I'm not for destroying athletes but how is it good if people don't train hard? Meb and Deena have different coaches and there isn't anybody else from there group in there league.Who is going to pick up the slack on American distance running? Risk isn't the worst thing.Everybody is so critical but nobody has any answers.

so you're going to brag about a 13.51 for 5km? ha! talk about digging...and before you jump to your, "ok, so what have you run bullshit", yes I have run faster. why can falcon/o'mara not be used in comparison? there was NOTHING at colorado to compare to these guys from the 80's/early 90's. can i mention reuben reina? were there any 10km guys from colorado ahead of cragg at the recent 10km in texas? who finished one spot ahead of cu at the cross country nationals last year? how many cu'ers were ahead of mulvaney, ahmed, or hatch from 800 to 1500 in austin? how many cu'ers were ahead of even sandfort in the 10 in austin? is that all recent enough for you? do i need to mention lincoln over your over rated slattery in the steeple? incidentally, dathan's "bone density problem" that you mentioned might just be a stupid training problem. maybe a combination of the two? have you thought of this? if something hasn't worked for you twice (2 or 3 stress fractures?) , why would you do it again? even more so, why would your coach let you do it again? why you continue to blindly follow trouble is certainly beyond me. it appears as if the superheroes goucher and ritzenhein have finally stopped trying to reinvent the wheel and have moved on...perhaps you will eventually wisen up as well? cheers.

I'll stick with Joseph McVeigh on this one, as i always do. He knows running and what it takes to be good. i would also like to hear what malamo and others have to say on this issue

at least wetmore is not just importing!

Apparently Ritz thinks Wetmore is a bad coach.

Somehow, Salazar was able to squeeze a 13:37 out of a high school runner without injuries, so it can be done. A good coach is supposed to make sure his best runners are healthy, not play Russian roulette. Before college, Ritz trained very hard and did not get injured. If he stayed on his high school regimen, he would have continued to improve and he would be far ahead of where he is at now.

Anyone who thinks that a person needs to train like a psycho fanatic to be a top runner does not have a clue. This means most Div. 1 coaches have no clue.

This is a waste of tim because clearly you cannot read well but ...

Wetmore-coached Aaron Blondeau ran a 13:51 on a measly 40 miles per week because that was all the athlete could handle so don't suggest Wetmore runs his athletes into the ground. English is your native language, learn to read and write it correctly.

CU doesn't import 23 year-old foreigners from all over the globe, everything they do is with homegrown talent. They don't get creative with their grants in aid like Stanford does either, so they don't have 35 guys on Farmer's Grants in Aid or whatever all gunning for seven spots on cross country. At the 2004 US Olympic Trials, there was Adam Goucher, Alan Culpepper, Scott Larson, Dathan Ritzenhein, Clint Wells, Jorge Torres, Edwardo Torres, Steve Slattery and Shawn Found. They outnumbered any aggregate total of Arkansas alums at the US Olympic Trials in 2004. In fact nine competitors would outnumber all of the Arkansas distance alums at the 2004 Olympic Trials for all of their respective countries combined.

Furthermore, Reuben Reina, Joe Falcon and those guys are ancient history. If I wanted to talk about CU's ancient history there are well over a dozen more Olympic Trials-caliber distance runners names to pull out of my ass, starting with a Brit named Mark Scrutton in the 1980s. You might have heard of him.

And I call BS on your sub-13:51 5,000 PR. You haven't sniffed 14:30.

old brit wrote:

as for my grasp of the english language, i'm not sure exactly what you meant by that

Did anyone else think that this statement was very funny?

old brit wrote:

it's adam and eve that i don't tell you my pb.

This has got to be rhyming slang for something, but I'm too dumb to figure it out. Of course I'll get it one second after I hit the post button, but ... what is it?

not so bright brit wrote:

"CU doesn't import 23 year-old foreigners from all over the globe, everything they do is with homegrown talent. "

I get so sick of this argument, especially with regards to Arkansas. You could just as fairly use the argument that Arkansas doesn't sit in one of the most popular running communities in the world, and therefore is at a disadvantage. I don't think you'll hear that one out of the Fayetteville camp, though. Or how about the idea that Arkansas actually has a complete track team?

It's easy and lazy to use the import excuse, but that does nothing to explain guys like Baker, Morin, Lincoln, Falcon, Reina, Rock, Redwine, Ahmed, Lassiter, Huffman, Travis, Taylor, Hatch, Dailey, Sandfort, Ryan Wilson (need more?) who have come throuh McDonnell's program and are from (GASP!) the United States. Yes, Arkansas has had some great international guys, but I challenge anyone here to go to Fayetteville Arkansas and recruit a successful team of Americans. Is Wetmore somehow to be blamed because he recruited Ritz, the most talented distance prospect of the past 20 years? Should he have been happy to coach 9:20 kids (at altitude, mind you) to 13:45? Hell no.

[quote]old brit wrote:

ha! you "wetmore lovers" are a blind lot! how can you say that cu post collegiate has had better success than arkansas runners for example? let's do a direct comparison:

joe falcon vs. adam goucher

reuben reina vs. jose torres

frank o'mara vs. adam culpepper

cragg vs. slattery

brian baker vs. ed torres

what more do you want?! quote]

Well let's look at time line .....all of the CU runners have left Cu within the last decade. When did all those ark comparisons leave School?

Also I think that Ritz should be added to the CU list. He did run the fastest 10k ever by an american collegiate.

I only wish to add...That which does not kill you, only makes you stronger. I do not know who said it, but I do know as a long time coach, that you push your runners to their limit to make them better. Sometimes they break. It is just that simple. Wetmore has proven that he knows how to motivate people to their maximun. It is not an exact.

Excellent euphemism. Wetmore has proven that he can break people!

Wetmore has had more post-collegiate successes per capita than Arkansas or Stanford and he has done it with Americans only unlike the foreign-fueled Razorbacks, and not cheating the system by giving out all sorts of free ride grants to Stanford kids.

Stating the Obvious also wrote:

Wetmore has had more post-collegiate successes per capita than Arkansas or Stanford and he has done it with Americans only unlike the foreign-fueled Razorbacks, and not cheating the system by giving out all sorts of free ride grants to Stanford kids.

Why must any positive statement about Wetmore also include a negative one about McDonnell? Why can't it be left at the fact that both are doing exceptional jobs?