where's all the wetmore defenders now?!?

see you in november jerky. oh yeah what are you doing to help runnining in america ?Your just part of the problem.

when November rolls around the fact that Jorge Torres, Dathan Ritzenhein, Adam Goucher, Kara Goucher, and Steve Slattery had a terrible Olympic trials performances still won't change

slattery doesn't even run for wetmore anymore, and didn't at the time of the trials.

Hey, why are you becoming such an emotional-sissy? Havn't you seen the Russian women Volley Ball coach yelling and screaming at his girls like as if they were all his wives? So if Wetmore "screams and yells" at his runners so what? Stop being a cry baby and face reality. Winners never afraid to give all they have - in exchanging of the prize!

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slattery doesn't even run for wetmore anymore, and didn't at the time of the trials.

slattery's coach never was wetmore; forget the guy who coached the chasers at CU, but it wasn't wetmore.

wetmore is finsihed and so it cu. western state will beat them this year.

You know those "player bio" sheets? It would be funny if each Colorado guy had his name and stats and, instead showing of a picture of his face, there was a picture of an x-ray showing the site of a stress fracture.

You can talk all the shit you want behind an anonymous screen name but you're nothing but a whiny little bitch who couldn't hack it anywhere. What have you run? Ever break 16 minutes for a 5K? Notice how none of the CU athletes or alums post on here?

Recent CU distance athletes under Wetmore who competed as recently as the 2004 US Olympic Trials. (Others still compete too):

Men:

Alan Culpepper

Adam Goucher

Steve Slattery

Jorge Torres

Edwardo Torres

Shawn Found

Clint Wells

Dathan Ritzenhein

Scott Larson

Women:

Shayne Culpepper

Carrie Messner

Kara Goucher

Liz Sabochik

The men would crush any post-collegiate team head to head.

Another misconception is that Wetmore is supposed to coach his post-collegians. His main emphasis (and his paycheck, contractual responsibility, etc.) is coaching the CU runners, not a CU Farm Team concept. Also note that they have outstanding GPAs as Wetmore emphasizes hitting the books instead of squandering collegiate academics.

He's one of the finest coaches in the country and everyone with any sense knows it. You're a raging dipshit for suggesting othewise.

right on... i am sure there are many here in new jersey who support wetmore, not because he is a jersey guy and coached at bernards high school and started a youth running program here, but because he is a great coach and has produced great runners and results.

everyone gets hurt when training hard, no matter if you are injury prone or resilient. every good coach has had a great athlete get hurt under him. somehow, when it happens to a CU or an alum of CU who is still coached by wetmore it is a BIG deal...

these threads suck and this is the crap that has killed this message board... it will never end until this thing is shut down i guess. however, another board will be raped by idiot and ignorant posters too i am sure!

Who do you coach? you are one bitter human. is it lack of respect or deeper?

I'm going to try and post this again. The last one was deleted by someone. Wetmore takes very talented athletes and puts them through a meat grinder of a training program. If the athlete survives then they will run well. However so many of his athletes get hurt, doing this type of training that it raises some eyebrows. To say that Wetmore is a great coach because Ritz ran in the 27s for a 10k is false. It really should be a testament to Ritz's great amount of talent. But think about how much faster he would run if not injured so much. The same thing can be said for all of his other athletes like Torres and Goucher. Ritz probably left because he knew like Culpepper that if he wanted to have a long career he needed to move on. The bottom line is don't judge a coach on just how fast his athletes run, but more on how much of an improvement it is for the talent level of the athlete. Goucher,Torres,and Ritz were all incredible runners when they came out of high school and one would expect the kind of times they have run down the road.

i agree that the injuries raise an eyebrow; however, there are many runners with similar backgrounds (foot locker national champions, hs record holders, etc.) that have not had the careers these have.

there's no way to get answers from hypotheticals. was their improvement not enough for their talent levels? national championships, olympic teams, etc. seem rather good. a good coach for a high-level, blue-chip athlete acts like a shepherd by not inhibiting their improvement and allowing their natural talents to blossom. the injuries are a problem but his results are also undeniable.

i can't believe that people still love this guy. how many careers and accolades has he destroyed or stunted? how can you wetmore lovers be so blind?

Gotta go with the almithgy sun dog on this one. Wetmore's graduates kick more post-collegiate ass than Stanford, Arkansas, Wisco alums. And CU's college distance runners always finish at or near the top in the NCAAs.

A few injuries and retirements are bound to happen. Cragg had an avulsion of the pelvis at Arkansas. Hausers and Jennings to name a few are totally done at Stanford.

The problem is finding a post-collegiate gig where an athlete has a good training situation and doesn't have to worry about a career or living on a shoestring budget.

You are just a one-trick pony trying to stir shit up over and over. Wetmore bashers don't have any juice on here. You never ran anything. It's an old act. Keep hiding because you would post your name if you thought what you said was true. But it's not and everyone knows it. Just keep grinding that axe because you are clearly inferior.

Three stress fractures in two years are enough to suggest that they were not a freak accident. I don't care how fast Ritz ran in one race because nobody trains to run just one great race. If a coach can't keep his runners healthy, then he is doing some bad coaching at least for the injured runners in question. Anybody can drive 20 runners into the ground and have a couple survive and do great. That is not what I would call coaching. For Ritz, he got some really bad coaching and it is a great disservice to him as well as everybody involved or following the sport. A runner like Ritz does not come along very often and there is no need for a wacked coach to ruin a great talent.

I like it that the guy who started this thread had no intentions of kiding the fact that he's a troll.

Most of the runners typically mentioned as "destroyed" by MW are exceptional talents who want to be great. To be great, you have to push yourself extremely hard, and that means injuries, no matter who's coaching you. And the vast majority of runners who want to be great are willing to ignore an injury in the hopes that it's just a transitory thing until it stops them cold.

If you want to be less than great, you'll head right to the sofa for a week when you feel sore.

And if you are going to cite Adam Goucher, is it the coach's fault that Adam didn't get a f---ing wheelbarrow or whatever, b/c didn't he hurt his back while doing landscaping at his house? Should MW have been doing Adam's yardwork for him?

The future success of American distance running doesn't occur by babying runners. Successful systems are doing the opposite. So there are going to casualties. To win an Olympic medal you have to be able to indure tough systems. Unfortunately the abrupt change from most high school programs to Wetmore's system is too fast. We need to progressively build an athlete until they are able to withstand that form of training. But his training style might be the correct end product.

ha! you "wetmore lovers" are a blind lot! how can you say that cu post collegiate has had better success than arkansas runners for example? let's do a direct comparison:

joe falcon vs. adam goucher

reuben reina vs. jose torres

frank o'mara vs. adam culpepper

cragg vs. slattery

brian baker vs. ed torres

what more do you want?! as for wetmore ruining american talent, i'll have to agree with that! what a farce! certainly a hinderance to your young talent in the states. you don't have to destroy your body in order to be great. you do, however, have to train smart- i.e. not running 27.30ish after 2 recent stress fractures and then strapping on the spikes to go slog out a 5km on the track! too bad, but good for ritzenhein that he has wisened up.