Long Runs Am I going to Fast?

Cool Website Mr Rodriguez, it's nice that your not ashame of posting your identity and asking for a simple answer, Keep on running your doing good, don't listen to the naysayers, I saw in your Log that you ran a 9:48 2 mile just 2 weeks ago. Just as long as your not killing yourself in the long run's keep it going.

This guy has a 15:08 and a 31:16 so I see that he ain't lying about his stuff. There should be more realistic people like him, The guy ain't asking for workouts all he asked was if he was running to fast for his long runs. I would say just keep it above 6:10 to 6:25. Good Luck in your endeavors.

Graphing his log from Cool Running

This is his Mileage since June

Week of

June 5 ran a 26:20 for an 8k

Jun 6, 2004 34

Jun 13, 2004 34

Jun 20, 2004 45

Jun 27, 2004 51

Jul 4, 2004 60

Jul 11, 2004 65

Jul 18, 2004 75

Jul 25, 2004 75

Aug 1, 2004 80

Aug 8, 2004 70

Aug 15, 2004 88

Aug 22, 2004 98

Aug 29, 2004 71

Sep 5, 2004 68

Sep 12, 2004 67

He peaked at 100 and came drastically to 70 again, I hope you go atleast one more time over 100. Good Luck, hopefully someone can help ya your doing good. I'm a 2:55 marathoner I wouldn't know how.

Actually, I'm an extreme case, which is why i think that those times are reasonable. My mile PR is barely under 5, half mile PR slower than 2:20, quarter PR barely under 70, etc.... But like i said, i'm very fit. The real question is, if i suck so bad, why do i run so much? :)

It depends what we're talking about. I'm not trying to be a bigshot or anything -- but I rarely do tempo runs on the roads as slow as 6:00/mile. Usually the first mile or two is around there, but then i pick it up. Now, if he was doing marathon training, I've heard that it is common to do very long tempo runs as preparation, which is what i assumed it was. Obviously 6:00 pace isn't what you do on your easy days, but for a steady-state/tempo type run it isn't all that fast. The poster stated that his easy days are slower (7:30 pace? Mine are around there also...). What i was saying is that if i were to do a 10 mile tempo run (in preparation for a marathon, say), 6 minute pace would be significantly slower than what i would aim for, hence easy. Now that i think about it, i might try to run 5:50's, which is only 10 secs/mile faster, but that feels like a lot when you're actually running it. I can talk comfortably at 6 minute pace. If you wanted to call bullshit on me fine, but i'm not lying or exaggerating.

So, i think the times he gave are not unreasonable. People were calling bullshit on the guy, and I say he's not necessarily lying.

Hey, when I was running 29:24, 6 min/mile was NOT easy, and I was logging the miles. More than likely, anyone who does say that it's easy has mismeasured their training courses (and I saw that all of the time in Berkeley, Eugene, Ann Arbor and Seattle where I ran.) Also, GPS is NOT a god-send. It can be wildly erratic (I joke all the time with a training partner who uses one.) You're better off relying on bike trail marker because at least they're consistent, if biased.

As for training, your long runs should start out VERY comfortable, and then build up--you should be running your fastest at the end. Also, the suggestions for the 10-14 miles at marathon goal pace are good as well. It's too late now, but try to add about a month of concentrated hill training to improve your leg strength--your speed will get better too. Finally, make sure to have 4 weeks from your last long run before the marathon.

First off, I cant take a guy with the name "poop" seriously.

Second off, you better check your course. I am a 14:30, 30:00 flat guy, and I cannot hold a convo at 6:00 pace.

What gives you away is saying you have a half mile PR of barely under 2:20, and a 400m pr of barely under 70. That makes no sense whatsoever. You must have incredible stamina/endurance, and absolutely NO speed.

Either way, you're lying about your PR's, or your pace. Admit to one and I'll be happy.

Can someone else help me also? I am following a similar program to "Texas Dude", but the major differance during my base phase (currently at 50 miles a week and planning to build up to 90 in two months), during this time, I was hoping to also run a series a 5k races to help improve my speed. My question is, should I complete my base build up or can i also add one hard session (the 5k)per week building up to the orange county marathon in febuary. Thank you.

Lying about my PR'S hehe that's a good one. Those pr's were set during college from 1996 - 2000. We are in 2004 and I'm 28 now not 18,19,20,21 when I used to run those times. I decided to get back with training and getting motivated to break barriers which can be broken, First barrier is running under 2:30 for the marathon, I know I know it's my first, but hey, I like many have goals in mind, I would like to go under 2:30 will it happen, heck who knows my training will speak for itself, maybe I'm training to fast or maybe I'm just that fit from putting 3 month of aerobic runninng, heck who knows???

I ran Div II cross country and track for A&M Kingsville, I was a steeple chaser there in TAMUK, I ran a 9:17 steeple not bad for a short guy. And yes all I tried to specialize in was the steeple in college.

I'm no expert to the sport, all I came here was to ask for a simple suggestion and here comes letsrun to dog what I have and have not accomplished, it's kind of funny, I really don't take this things personal so you all can hammer away and keep on saying your crap, as for the positive feedback thanks! I got it!

And yes 2 weeks ago I ran a 8 mile relay where each person ran 2 miles,

It went like this

Efrain Velasquez: 9:26

Victor Viesca: 9:28

Josh Meza: 9:48

Benny Rodriguez: 9:46

i guess this thread has been up for a bit. but that's funny. i thought the exact same thing when i read the title.

I was referring to "Poop", not you. Anyone who knows anything about running knows he is a liar.

Your times are completely valid I think. Really random though. I don't think its good to run such an inconsistent pace.

It's hard to pace yourself when your running alone and the course is hilly in certain areas,

Hey curious, I'm interested in some more info if you don't mind, my e-mail is there if you don't feel like posting here!

Thanks

Ben

Is the course you do your long run on hilly or flat, if flat then it seems that your pretty inconsistent, which is not good for a marathon.

i don't know if the other guys mentioned this (im a little too lazy to look through the other posts),but i would suggest finishing your last couple miles faster than the rest of them. It will teach your body to finish hard on races and will help with the lactate threshold situation.

maybe you should check your sack when you're struggling to run 6 minute miles. obviously a 17 miler at 6-minute pace should convert to better than 16:30 but come on... let's not act like 6 minute pace is absolutely flying.

[quote]BS.......... wrote:

First off, I cant take a guy with the name "poop" seriously.

Second off, you better check your course. I am a 14:30, 30:00 flat guy, and I cannot hold a convo at 6:00 pace.

What gives you away is saying you have a half mile PR of

6 Min Cruiser: The course is hilly from Mile 1 all the way to Mile 8, Mile 9 and 10 are flat, It's goes up and down alot through out the course. It's a 10 mile Loop, I do 8 up and back or 10 up and back etc... Yes I'm real incosistent in my pacing but that's due to the hills and I'm running by myself, I was told that my 5:45 pace for the marathon was too conservative, but I just want to finish one at that pace first. I got a lot to learn, like I said I'm not a professional, I'm just a raggidy ann runner trying to prove that I can run sub 2:30.

I'll be running a 10k Oct 3 in Austin, that race was won last year by Kim Gillard with a 30:15, that aussie! is one bad mofo!

Aite peace

Ben

sorry if i didn't make myself clear - i was responding to the assholes who thought it absolutely impossible that someone could run 6 minute miles without killing themselves.

6 minute cruiser wrote:

maybe you should check your sack when you're struggling to run 6 minute miles. obviously a 17 miler at 6-minute pace should convert to better than 16:30 but come on... let's not act like 6 minute pace is absolutely flying.

It is flying for a 16:30 5K guy. And here's a newsflash, you don't check your sack in training, you do it when it counts. Let me guess - are you the workout champion? Do you win the warmup too?

hey what's so bad about winning practice and warmups, I used to do that when I was in H.S. and kicked ass in the meets. And in college these badasses were awesome in practice but sometimes choked in meets.

Texas Dude: stay within 6:10 - 6:25

Good Luck don't mind these flamers like JASON MAYEROFF SAID keep hammering away.

hey texas dud iam jaime i used to run my long runs at 6;10 6;20 pace sea level.now that iam in kansas theres no way could run my long run closed to 6min pace.for the type of runner you are and the goal you are trying to shoot for 6min pace for a easy steady long run its just fine i dont see anything wrong with running sub 6min pace.as long as you are not running hard an a easy run it does not matter.

train hard win easy..

what are your goals for the marathon sub 2;30

Buddy, Kansas is not at altitude. What are you smoking?