Alright so I watched the video a couple of times. Clearly Hassey gets hit from behind. What is she supposed to do? If your car crashes into the car in front of you, it's your fault.
If GG wants to pass her, do it on the outside, like everyone else.
Now don't get me wrong, maybe that's not 100% fair play but I understand the decision of the jury.
If the car in front of you drifts out of it's lane and hits you it is their fault.
That is why in track you should 'hold your line' and not drift.
I understand the decision of the jury the first 2 times they reviewed the contact. I don't understand the 3rd review and what they could have seen that changed their mind.
It happens all the time in NASCAR and no-one gets DQ'ed.
Exactly. Watch the video! Who is holding their line? Grunewald. Who is wobbling all over lane one like a drunk, and can't close out the last 400?
Watch the video.
Grunewald is all over the place. Sorry but your conspiracy is just plain stupid.
The only solution is to force the runners to run in lanes the entire way.
Running in Lanes wrote:
The only solution is to force the runners to run in lanes the entire way.
Haha, and suddenly T&F would become even more BORING.
Lets not sugarcode this, the whole race was a farce. Super slow until the end, basically a caravan of SKINNY FAT chicks who act like they're hotties.
Guess why Hasey struggled? Because she is not STRONG enough. I don't understand why Salazar isn't pushing his female athletes through some heavy lifting. It could improve their physique, too.
So you feel this action caused Hassay to finish behind Grunewald?
R2D3 wrote:
It happens all the time in NASCAR and no-one gets DQ'ed.
Yeah, funny the OP mentions cars when bump drafting is OK in NASCAR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-Yl2Yr8xoThere's your new term.
"Bump drafting" on the running track.
After watching it a few times now - not only do I feel GG should NOT be DQ'd, if anything I think Hasay was at fault. Looks to me that as they come up to the line for the last lap, GG is in the inside of lane 1, Hasay is on the outside of lane 1, just a half stride ahead. As they go by the line, Hasay drifts in on GG crowding her on the rail. That is where contact happens, and only after the contact does GG bolt out to go around Hasay. Looks to me like GG had position on the inside and Hasay drifts in on her to cause the heel clip. Either way, I still don't see anything worthy of DQing anyone. But on second look, it is not as clear to me that GG is the one responsible for the contact.
I watched the video several times. I think GG fouled Hasay, but I would have somewhat overlooked that, but then, she goes on to do the same thing to Brown.
Sorry. That is not acceptable. Once, maybe it just "happened", second time - less than one lap later, she runs into the back of a second runner. That's dq time in my book.
It is not permissible to run into the back of runners ahead of you. She did it twice within one lap - that's just not right.
smell the coffee, wrote:
I watched the video several times. I think GG fouled Hasay, but I would have somewhat overlooked that, but then, she goes on to do the same thing to Brown.
Sorry. That is not acceptable. Once, maybe it just "happened", second time - less than one lap later, she runs into the back of a second runner. That's dq time in my book.
It is not permissible to run into the back of runners ahead of you. She did it twice within one lap - that's just not right.
So you watched the video several times but don't know who was in the race?
Also, and this can't be emphasized enough: there was no contact between GG and Rowbury (your "Brown" above). Rowbury even admits as much.
Grunewald definitely clipped Hasay but it was a minor clip. Hasay didn't fall or stumble, she just took a step or 2 to get her rhythm back, stuff like that happens all the time indoors. Now if she fell are stumbled out a couple lanes to regain her balance, then I think it would be a foul. It didn't affect Hasay's last 200m to the extent of making the team, because she was out of gas.
I have never seen Alberto act the way everything is being described so I wonder what underlying issue is going on. It not like getting Hasay to Worlds is important because it will build her confidence or medal..she is going to get crushed at that meet.
The contact that's there is so minor and clearly not intentional. If that's a DQ offense then so is any touching of arms or shoulders. This is what racing is like. We should just decide titles by single-start time trials in the future if all accidental contact between runners is automatically a DQ.
But that's not even the point. If GG had been disqualified immediately, it would have been unfair but at least the story would have blown over quickly. Now it's a story of coercion and corruption.
R2D3 wrote:
It happens all the time in NASCAR and no-one gets DQ'ed.
Hahaha it happens in NASCAR all the time...that is like comparing Curling with the board game of Monopoly
I just watched the replay several times in slowmo and real time. It is obvious that Hassay gets clipped from behind, however there is movement by both runners. Hassey was trying to tuck back in and move to the inside and Gabe is trying to get around them and moves to her outside. Hassey is cutting Gabe off as much as Gabe is clipping Hassey from behind. It was a good no call from the official. If what Gabe did was a DQ then what Hassey did was also a DQ. Alberto should not be able to havbe it both ways.
As far as all the posts on Gabe being dirty, this was not a dirty move. This was the move she was DQ's on so anything else that may have happened does not matter.
The real bad guys here are the USATF not following their own rules. The first decision on the track was a no call. the 2nd decision after the appeal was a no call, the 2rd appeal after reviewing video evidence was a no call. the 3rd (non-legal) appeal during which salazar and some nike officials got to speak directly (not-legal)with the committee was that the contact by Gabe was illegal.
It was ruled 3 times by the officials, once in real time, once after the appeal, and once with video evidence that that Gabe was the national champion. An illegal 4th appeal is granted in which Nike (who supplies upwards of 1/2 of the USATF funding) gets to speak with the USATF officials whith out anyone from the other side present. Remember the AAU anyone?
For anyone who would like to have the USATF contact info...
http://www.usatf.org/about/directory/index_org.asp
Stephanie Hightower - 614-253-0886-
At 9:04 into the race, what happened? It appears to me that GG tripped up on Rowbury's backfoot - but in this instance it did not disrupt Rowbury's stride, but rather GG's.
I'll admit that the Hasay foul not an egregious act - in effect GG ran up her back, but, I'll repeat, for a runner then to go do the same thing within 50 meters is just not acceptable. You don't get to run up people's backs. In both cases there were 5 wide open lanes to the right for her to pass in, but she instead goes straight into the runner ahead of her before going around. In my books, that's dq time.
As George Bush said, "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
smell the coffee, wrote:
At 9:04 into the race, what happened? It appears to me that GG tripped up on Rowbury's backfoot - but in this instance it did not disrupt Rowbury's stride, but rather GG's.
I'll admit that the Hasay foul not an egregious act - in effect GG ran up her back, but, I'll repeat, for a runner then to go do the same thing within 50 meters is just not acceptable. You don't get to run up people's backs. In both cases there were 5 wide open lanes to the right for her to pass in, but she instead goes straight into the runner ahead of her before going around. In my books, that's dq time.
As George Bush said, "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
Except GG never touched Rowbury so it doesn't matter.
Nor did she run up on Hasay, she was clearly on her inside and the contact was made as they were both moving laterally towards each other (hasay moving in and Gabe moving out)
Hasay was running a straight line in lane one, and GG ran up the back of her.
The brojos two photos are 1/2 lap apart and have nothing to do with the positions at the time.
Both the videos and the frame by frame photos show that GG ran straight into Hasay's back, clipped her back foot and caused Jordan to stumple, messing up her stride and her race.
You don't just knock someone out of a race and then say oh well they didn't do well anyway.