Oklahoma State vs Adams State

Luterbach wasn't hurt all of track season. He ran a bunch of races. Started off at like 4:32 in the indoor mile and got down to 4:03 for the 1500.

The thing that impresses me about teams like Adams St and most of the other good D2 programs: They do what they do with relative no-names. They develop their guys incredibly well.

Both teams ran fantastic races this weekend. Who knows if Adams would have beaten Oklahoma state(prob not). But i will agree with the poster above, its cool how these programs can do a lot with pretty little known named guys. I remember racing Adams states 6th man in high school and the guy only ran 4:35 or maybe a little slower in the mile. Oklahoma State does a great job with with a primarily 1500 guy running in there top 5 and placing so well. These two teams are just an example of many with what it takes if you work a little harder and run with a bit of school pride, great things can happen.

Sorry but like other posters pointed out the D2 course is at least 300-400m short. Last summer I beat a few of those runners who ran sub-31 on Saturday and I am only a mid-32min guy on the roads.

wheeled the course was not short.

disbac wrote:

wheeled the course was not short.

Ok. Keep telling yourself that your massive PR is legitimate.

Any course that's "faster" than Louisville is either on a road or short. Louisville is the fastest course I've ever run on, and I raced at Oshkosh's grass track for 4 years. It's probably the fastest legitimate course in the country.

Louisville course might run fast in segments but it is utter crap of a course. They had to go through a ditch 300 meters from the start when they were still packed up and there were tons of holes and other garbage.

I'm a HS coach and we only run on 1-2 worse courses every year.

disbac wrote:

wheeled the course was not short.

I'd really like to believe you, but I don't. It was most certainly short. I saw a pretty good satellite measurement that had it at 6.02 miles.

I just don't understand how a place that has a PERMANENT cross course on campus, complete with warning signs (Left U-turn ahead) and permanent mile markers could be off. Would much rather they just call it what it is than try to pass it off as accurate.

neanderthal dream wrote:

I just don't understand how a place that has a PERMANENT cross course on campus, complete with warning signs (Left U-turn ahead) and permanent mile markers could be off. Would much rather they just call it what it is than try to pass it off as accurate.

This^. Nothing wrong with a 6.02 mile course, just be honest about it.

My former college team had a guy who barely broke 27 and two guys with season best times over 27 minutes break 32 for 10k at Joplin. Another guy barely broke 28 as his season best, but ran right at 32 flat there. The course also has a lot of sharp turns and rolling hills The course is insanely short.

The quote I heard from the Ferris State coach who wheeled it the morning of the championships was that it was 9940something.

About 60 meters short. If you ran from the 6 mile to the finish, that measurement feels about right.

Roughly 8-12 seconds depending on ability.

Everything else was reportedly spot on.

The course and conditions are fast regardless, folks.

and the last time an argument on here came up about how a NCAA championship course is supposed to be measured, I believe it IS the center line is what counts, not the shortest distance/tangents.

do you guys know how a gps watch works? with all the sharp corners its going to cut alot off. it plots points... its never going to go perfectly around the corner

All this talk about the course being short is quite hilarious. Using a GPS watch and WHEELING IT OUT the course was RIGHT ON 10KM.

Plus...why would a NATIONALS meet host a course that was short....think about it.

It's just a pretty damn fast course with track like surfacing...def faster than louisville, but not too much faster.

No, it's a notoriously short course and has been for years. Why would nationals be held at a short course? Because at the end of the day, you still have to beat your competitors from point A to point B, and a little derivation on the exact distance is the least of their concerns (more worried about timing system failures).

74 guys broke 31 on this course this year. Last year in D2 track, only 42 guys broke 31. So either we should expect about 100 guys to break 31 in track this year with half of them under 30 and at least a dozen under 29, or just admit it was a little short.

In the end, the above poster is right. It's still about racing and beating everyone from point A to point B.