Look, you can either keep whining about foreign athletes doing well or STFU and train harder

Except that the foreigners are on American teams training with Americans.

Well you could also STFU and train harder while still whining about foreigners.

or option 3, kick the foreigners out of our NCAA Championships.

#Talent

Jordan Hasay trained just as hard if not harder than Saina and that evil witch stole it.

yeah, because training & racing against mediocre comp will surely breed greatness in american born runners!!!let's just put on the blinders to the rest of the world, kick out the good runners, & pat ourselves on the back for being so special!!!jesus, americans are p*ssies...when the going gets tough these days, the tough p*ss out want an easier road...

way it should be wrote:

or option 3, kick the foreigners out of our NCAA Championships.

Dennis Reynolds wrote:

Since no one seems to want to work hard you'll probably want to kick all of them out. Foreign athletes are good for developing our best athletes. Rupp would probably not be the runner he is without Chelanga. Solinksy would not have run what he did without Bairu. But both were willing to put in the work. So many of you nutless cowards are not.

Why don't you STFU since you can't formulate a coherent argument? The "nutless cowards" are the unscrupulous coaches like those at Oklahoma State who stack their teams with professional level runners, of indeterminate age, who don't have the distraction of having to spend oodles of time attending to a little thing called academics, and call that a level plying field.

And, the "nutless cowards" include the apologists like you who don't understand the ethical precepts underlying the amateur college sports scene. So why don't you Wake TFU?

so OK state's top 7 don't go to class? who did you hear this from? or do you go to OK state?

and when will the press conference be where they all announce they are turning pro? i guess they kinda have to if they haven't been going to class, no other marketable job skills...

I asked you why can't American College kids (born here or US citizens) have their own championship?...then develope a team and race the foreignors?...what's wrong with that idea?

RuKiddingMe!!! wrote:

I asked you why can't American College kids (born here or US citizens) have their own championship?...then develope a team and race the foreignors?...what's wrong with that idea?

That is moving in the right direction, but it is far more than that. For starters, the foreign interlopers are stealing scholarships from our American kids. It is the functional equivalent of outsourcing American jobs to foreigners overseas, only in this case we are "In"-sourcing foreigners at the cost of scholarships to American athletes. Insidious, to put it mildly.

There's something very wrong with a state school, funded by the taxpayers, that uses its scholarship money to pay for a bunch of foreigners to run for them. I'm sorry if you think that's find and dandy. That's even before you get into the whole issue of how old these people are and if they go to class. It's an enormous advantage being 25 or 26 and racing against 19 year olds.

The argument here can be boiled down to whether or not you believe that Kenyan born runners are genetically superior to American born runners.

If the answer is no, then the playing field is level. If an American kid wants to skip class and focus only on running, they can go right ahead (I know a number of runners who have done this, usually to their detriment). If they want to hold off before going to college, take a few years and run after high school, go back as a 20 year old Freshman, I am not aware of any rules preventing them from doing this. Age shouldn't have anything to do with it though, because look at World Juniors and tell me that our best college seniors can compete for Gold Medals against 19 year olds. It is certainly a factor, but in no other stage in our sport is there age grading so why get used to it in this venue? I also believe that there is nothing more "American" than working hard to have a better life for yourself. This, incidentally, is where I think the difference between American and Kenyan runners lies at this level. Motivation for an American to run fast and take home his plaque and do his best is great. Motivation for a Kenyan to have a better life for himself and possibly his family is greater. I concede your point that they are taking scholarships from American runners. Hopefully everyone just writes it off as charity and feels good about themselves for helping.

If the answer is yes, and Kenyan runners are just BETTER, then All-American status should be reserved for Americans in the NCAA Championships. .....They already do that? Oh. Well then having foreign runners in the race can only make our runners faster.

The argument has nothing to do with science but thank you for playing. I am against 26 year old Americans competing at NCAAs as well (that includes all of the Mormons who come back from their boondoggles in their mid 20s). I also am against white guys skipping classes and basically running professionally.

What everyone needs to do is overtrain then.

these same state schools give scholarship money to dumb football players who are going to college because of what they can do on an athletic field and not because of their academic prowess. that squeezes out room in each entering class for kids that are far superior on an academic level to the fb jocks...where is the outcry over this? shouldn't we put $$$ towards smart kids who have potential to contribute positively to society, not dumb kids with 4.4s and 37inch verts?

Witty wrote:

There's something very wrong with a state school, funded by the taxpayers, that uses its scholarship money to pay for a bunch of foreigners to run for them. I'm sorry if you think that's find and dandy. That's even before you get into the whole issue of how old these people are and if they go to class. It's an enormous advantage being 25 or 26 and racing against 19 year olds.

Witty wrote:

There's something very wrong with a state school, funded by the taxpayers, that uses its scholarship money to pay for a bunch of foreigners to run for them. I'm sorry if you think that's find and dandy. That's even before you get into the whole issue of how old these people are and if they go to class. It's an enormous advantage being 25 or 26 and racing against 19 year olds.

Lol what is "very wrong" about them getting scholarships? That has nothing to do with taxpayers. It is fine and dandy. You just have no idea what you're talking about.

Calling out the whiners is fair, but really, "shut up and train harder" is just as stupid.

It's not as though American kids are training at less than full throttle in the hope that they will only have to race each other, as if there is some unspoken code of conduct to the effect of "We can all just slack off a little and hurt a little less, and no one watching will ever know unless some big bad Africans come along." Foreign talent has been around for decades.

What you *really* mean is, "Look, you can either keep whining or accept that your chances of winning are extremely slim now that there are more and more foreigners in the field."

25-year old football players? I don't think so. I also don't think it's right to have professional collegiate football teams where guys don't go to class and don't even attempt to graduate. I'm not sure what your point was to mention another cesspool in collegiate sports. Both stink.

jyfjyf wrote:

Witty wrote:

There's something very wrong with a state school, funded by the taxpayers, that uses its scholarship money to pay for a bunch of foreigners to run for them. I'm sorry if you think that's find and dandy. That's even before you get into the whole issue of how old these people are and if they go to class. It's an enormous advantage being 25 or 26 and racing against 19 year olds.

Lol what is "very wrong" about them getting scholarships? That has nothing to do with taxpayers. It is fine and dandy. You just have no idea what you're talking about.

Excuse me? How do you think state schools get funded. Do you think Oklahoma State gets funded by money falling from the sky?

Wounded Buffalo soldier wrote:

Calling out the whiners is fair, but really, "shut up and train harder" is just as stupid.

It's not as though American kids are training at less than full throttle in the hope that they will only have to race each other, as if there is some unspoken code of conduct to the effect of "We can all just slack off a little and hurt a little less, and no one watching will ever know unless some big bad Africans come along." Foreign talent has been around for decades.

What you *really* mean is, "Look, you can either keep whining or accept that your chances of winning are extremely slim now that there are more and more foreigners in the field."

Shut and train harder is not just as stupid. If the Americans had trained better, then they would have been faster. Foreigners are human beings just like Americans are. Citizenship has nothing to do with physiology.

How many American kids are doing 100mpw throughout highschool? Close to none, so yes they are all slacking off and have some sort of unspoken code of conduct.