Edward Cheserek - What Happened?

ask any dopeboy you know wrote:

the US has 36yo 1500m, 35yo 800m, 30yo 100m, and 33yo 400H runners on the team for London, and you think he might have peaked at 18-21?

Mr. Battery wrote:

Why does he suck so much now? I thought he was going to destroy LV's times?

Nearly DFL at the Jim Ryun Dream Mile. Only an 8:55 2 mile this year when he ran 8:42 INDOORS last year.

Methinks he's 1 or 2 years older and has peaked.

Who's the 36yo 1500 runner?

people tend to burn out when their coach makes them break every course record in New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania in cross country. also, didnt he run a 4:07 in the Dream Mle? thats hardly a DNF

I had the pleasure of siitting for about 5 minutes and talking to Edward as he was waiting to get an award at a meet in mid May. He did say that he was very very tired and looking forward to the end of the season and looking for the school year to be over and go back to Kenya for part of the summer to see family and friends.

As for his coach having him chase xc records that is 100% not true. Many meets Coach H told Edward to hold back such as at the FLNE race. He told him to hold back and just make it through to San Diego. Anybody who has seen Edward run know the young man knows one thing - go hard from the gun. And at those races where he was told to hold back that is what he does anyway go hard. Edward has been invited by so many meets who would love him to run thier event and Coach H has held him out of most of these.

People can argue all they want about age. I have no proof either way hodl old he is but I do beleive he is of HS age. As a result of being a young man far away from family and friends for such a long time the long year by the end of the spring season started to wear and him like it would any of us and he just wanted to go back home.

When we spoke about Kenya his tired mood very quickly changed to excitment.

He will be back in the fall and I will bet have another great year (all three season) and we will be treated to some super performances once again.

Trialswatcher wrote:

Fluffy? Jim Ryun was only good at the mile?

Surely some of you need a history course.

Ryun ran faster at 17 than LV did at 18 and 7 months

He ran 3:55 at 18 and 3 months, get serious.

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He ran the same as The WR then at 800 converted down from 1:44.9 880, when he was 19

He then ran the WR at 1500 at 20 and 2 months, the WR, in a pretty frequently competed event.

He ran 8:25 for two miles when he was still a Junior Age runner.His 8:25 as a college freshman was the American Record at the time, and he did it beating Kip Keino.

Get a clue on how to evaluate guys, really.

See that LINE I drew in your post?

Everything above that line is when Jim Ryun was in High School.

Notice that the guy you're blabbering at clearly stated that Verzbicas was an overall better runner in high school than Ryun was.

Ryun was good in the mile.

Verzbicas held the indoor 5k record, the outdoor 2 mile record, broke 4 in the mile, won Footlocker Nationals TWICE, won both Footlocker and NXN in the same year, and won the NBIN Indoor National Meet for Carl Sandburg High School by HIMSELF.

And incidentally, you can't go protesting about how Verzbicas was too old for high school, because he wasn't. Verzbicas was born in January, 1993, and graduated in June, 2011.

In over 40 of the 50 states in the US, the cutoff date to be a graduating senior in 2011 is to be born before either September or October of 1993. This means that approximately 25% of graduating seniors in the class of 2011 were older than Verzbicas.

Clarsen wrote:

Ryun ran sub4 when he was 16; wasn't Verzbicas only a freshman at 16? Webb, Ryun, Lindgren and Pre were all better high school runners than Verzbicas and they did it at two years youger age. The difference between 17yo and 19yo is massive.

For all we can be sure, Cheserek could be 17 or he could be 25. There could be many reasons for drops in performance: injury, ennui, overtraining, under-training, girl trouble.

He is certainly not 25, Edward competed in age group competitions as a 16 year old. Perhaps you think he was 22, when he competed against 16 year olds. Btw, Kenyan who compete in grade school and age group competition are not the ones you see competing internationally. Kenya 'in-country' take age cheating very serious, obviously on an international level it is a different story.

Over- raced. Doing distance triples and relays. Hopefully his coach will look out for the good of his athlete as opposed to trying to bring home as many trophies as possible from semi meaningless invitationals.

In contrast Lukas Verzbicas didn't even run for his high school track team. So no dual meets, no relays to get in the way of training. He was actually training like a pro but just happened to be in high school.

If he was in the west coast, he'd have at least a break from having to do indoors.

Btw according to LRC African age math Lagat, Geb, Meb are actually masters runners now. You can't have it both ways.

the real question is where is he going to college?

Rumor is his 5 officials will be (in no particular order): Iona, OK State, Florida, NAU and Colorado

You're insane. Jim Ryun made the US Olympic Team as a junior; he broke the American record in the mile as a high school senior (!), and was ranked by T&FN as the fourth best 1500/miler in the world that year.

Fluffy wrote:

someone had to do it wrote:

jim ryun rabbited him?

Nope I said the greatest high school runner of all time, which is Lukas Verzbicas. Ryun was only good in the mile. Verzbicas dominated XC, indoor, and outdoor track.

Montesquieu wrote:

You're insane. Jim Ryun made the US Olympic Team as a junior; he broke the American record in the mile as a high school senior (!), and was ranked by T&FN as the fourth best 1500/miler in the world that year.

Fluffy wrote:

Nope I said the greatest high school runner of all time, which is Lukas Verzbicas. Ryun was only good in the mile. Verzbicas dominated XC, indoor, and outdoor track.

I believe you just proved the point the poster was trying to make, that Ryun was moreso only a miler and LV was more of a "total package."

However I disagree with that point as LV's best distance was mainly the two mile in my opinion so that makes a bit of an invalid point. I mean from what I remember of malmo's listing of Ryun's achievements through high school, he ran well in other distances like the 880yd/2 mile/XC against collegians as a high school runner. LV and Ryun are both amazing talents who prospered across the board, however Ryun was more middle distance and LV was better at longer distances so it isn't especially fair to compare them really.

Good heavens--when you break the American record in the one mile run as a high school student it doesn't matter what you do in other events. That achievement alone is mind blowing, and clearly makes him "the greatest high school runner ever." Furthermore, had there been an Olympics that year, he would have been one of the favorites for Gold. Think about what that means.

Here--watch this: Ryun defeating the 1964 Olympic Gold and Silver 1500 medalists and setting a new AR:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E-R97LShwAYou will find the commentators make Tom Hammond and Carol Lewis look like track and field's equivalent of Marv Albert.

I was only explaining what the previous poster had been referring to in his posting, I wasn't arguing anything with you

It's amazing that you clowns still think Verbikas wasn't an overage cheat. Dude was 22 when he graduated high school.

Oh wait, he's white. White people never cheat.

Trialswatcher wrote:

Fluffy? Jim Ryun was only good at the mile?

Surely some of you need a history course.

Ryun ran faster at 17 than LV did at 18 and 7 months

He ran 3:55 at 18 and 3 months, get serious.

He ran the same as The WR then at 800 converted down from 1:44.9 880, when he was 19

He then ran the WR at 1500 at 20 and 2 months, the WR, in a pretty frequently competed event.

He ran 8:25 for two miles when he was still a Junior Age runner.His 8:25 as a college freshman was the American Record at the time, and he did it beating Kip Keino.

Get a clue on how to evaluate guys, really.

Yes, while in high school Ryun was only good in the mile. He never even broke 9 in the 2 mile. Your entire comment only proves my point. Everything you wrote after the 3:55 he did out of high school. Thanks for trying tho. Verzbicas conquered everything.

Clarsen wrote:

Ryun ran sub4 when he was 16; wasn't Verzbicas only a freshman at 16? Webb, Ryun, Lindgren and Pre were all better high school runners than Verzbicas and they did it at two years youger age. The difference between 17yo and 19yo is massive.

For all we can be sure, Cheserek could be 17 or he could be 25. There could be many reasons for drops in performance: injury, ennui, overtraining, under-training, girl trouble.

What part of Ryun was only good in the mile do you not get. Verzbicas had a much better over all career.

1. Webb was not better because he never won Footlocker while Verzbicas won it twice.

2. Ryun was only good in the mile. Never broke 9 in the 2 mile.

3. Lindgren never did anything in the mile.

4. Pre never did anything in the mile and Verzbicas creamed his 2 mile times.

It means he was only good in the mile. Yes, it does matter what you do in other events. Ryun is the greatest high school miler of all time, but all around its Verzbicas.

Shocked that no one has mentioned this yet: his senior year Ryun beat Peter Snell in the mile at the 1965 AAU championships. At the time Snell was the defending Olympic Champion in both the 800m and 1500m, as well as the WR holder in the 800m, 1500m, and mile. This would be like Lukas beating LAGAT in the 2 mile his senior year.

Mr. Battery wrote:

Why does he suck so much now? I thought he was going to destroy LV's times?

Nearly DFL at the Jim Ryun Dream Mile. Only an 8:55 2 mile this year when he ran 8:42 INDOORS last year.

Methinks he's 1 or 2 years older and has peaked.

Good call, Mr. Battery.

Jim Ryun would've dusted Seb Coe in the final 100m of any race. He handled Snell like a champ.