Nick Symmonds is going to Kick Robbie Andrew's Ass at his own Game

Andrews may only know how to run one way but he's just as strong as Symmonds. Maybe not in a benching contest...but look at some of the 15's he has ran. Andrews is extremely versatile in THAT respect. With that said I think Symmonds will win.

Seaton wrote:

If memory serves, Andrews split 50.?? in route to his 1:44 win. Pretty sure that qualifies as an equivalent to any "big boy" race.

Maybe Maybe Not wrote:

Andrews split 51.7, 53.0

What a burn to you, "seaton." Get the facts before you yap next time.

Opening in 51.7 against Yego, Kaki, Rudisha et al will leave Andrews straining his eyes to see fifth place. Maybe his mighty kick will eat up the spots from 8th to 6th. Again, Symmonds and Wheating got schooled real nice in Europe last summer (look up Stockholm DL), and if they couldn't run with 'em, sure as hell Andrews can't. KD is the the only one who can hold his own in there.

at any rate it is going to be fun to watch

splits wrote:

Those splits were from Flashresults who are the official timers of the meet. You can eyeball whatever you want from the tape of the race. These are the actual splits from the FAT system.

I see. So, as long as you are told what to think by a figure of authority you will believe it regardless of direct, easily verifiable evidence to the contrary.

Excellent.

the smartest letsrunner wrote:

You nailed it. I've said before that college guys who get used to siting and kicking at any distance are in for a rude awakening when the face the big boys.

Wheating and Symmonds, the big kickers everyone on letsrun was salivating over last year, got eaten alive in the Diamond League last year.

Andrews is a far less strong runner than Symmonds or Wheating, and if he doesn't learn his lesson at USATF he sure as hell will if he runs any circuit races.

Yeah, but Wheating came off a long college season and in fact wasn't eaten alive. He was very competitive. Wheating is going to break Gray's AR at some point. Symmonds has already hit his peak.

In a year or two, Primm, Andrews, Jock, a couple of others are going to KO all of the established US 800 guys with the exception of Wheating.

Yes.

Maybe Maybe Not wrote:

splits wrote:

Those splits were from Flashresults who are the official timers of the meet. You can eyeball whatever you want from the tape of the race. These are the actual splits from the FAT system.

I see. So, as long as you are told what to think by a figure of authority you will believe it regardless of direct, easily verifiable evidence to the contrary.

Excellent.

Wow, you must really be an idiot. I'm watching the video over and over again and do not see a 2 second time gap. I think I'll go with actual splits from a fully-automatic machine rather than your lazy eye.

Nick Symmonds is a 3-time outdoor U.S. champ, Olympian, World Championship finalist, and is 27 years old.

He SHOULD beat Andrews and probably will. There is no point in comparing our best professional to a college sophomore. So what's the point of this thread? Nothing to see here.

Maybe Maybe Not wrote:

[quote]splits wrote:

I see. So, as long as you are told what to think by a figure of authority you will believe it regardless of direct, easily verifiable evidence to the contrary.

Excellent.

You are the kind of person who runs a 4:40 mile, then tells everyone its 4:35 because that is what it looked like as you ran past the clock several meters before the finish line.

When you are running 51 second quarter pace 1.4 seconds is a long way, and may even look like 2 or 3 seconds to an untrained eye.

sbeefyk1 wrote:

Maybe Maybe Not wrote:

[quote]splits wrote:

I see. So, as long as you are told what to think by a figure of authority you will believe it regardless of direct, easily verifiable evidence to the contrary.

Excellent.

You are the kind of person who runs a 4:40 mile, then tells everyone its 4:35 because that is what it looked like as you ran past the clock several meters before the finish line.

When you are running 51 second quarter pace 1.4 seconds is a long way, and may even look like 2 or 3 seconds to an untrained eye.

And how about to a stop watch? Time it. I dare you.

Maybe Maybe Not wrote:

sbeefyk1 wrote:

You are the kind of person who runs a 4:40 mile, then tells everyone its 4:35 because that is what it looked like as you ran past the clock several meters before the finish line.

When you are running 51 second quarter pace 1.4 seconds is a long way, and may even look like 2 or 3 seconds to an untrained eye.

And how about to a stop watch? Time it. I dare you.

You can't be serious. Do you know how FAT works?

This isn't the officials hand timed splits. This is a computer system. Lasers taking exact splits to the thousands, maybe ten thousands place if need be.

If you disagree with that, then how can you trust any of the finish times at all?

I think Robby surprises some of you haters. He is just coming into his own and getting really really fast. Sub 1:45 in a fast race is a good time. He may have sat and kicked, but he does what works and he got to the line first. It doesnt matter if you are in the back of the pack or leading, it is a race to see who can get to the 800 meter mark first. Everything before that mark does not matter. You don't win a race because you spent the most time in the lead or the most time closest to the lead. It only matters who get there first, so you guys can say whatever you want, but Robby does what works for him. He may risk getting boxed in or having to swing into lane 2 or 3, but when he sees that last 100 meters look out because he will hawk people down. I am a believer.

1:44 is impressive for a college soph, and chasing and kicking has obviously worked for him. However in a world class field, chasing is going to be a littler harder when most of the guys have a stronger kick then andrews. For all you Andrews groupies, prepare for Andrews to get schooled if he chooses to run that way.

Maybe Maybe Not wrote:

sbeefyk1 wrote:

You are the kind of person who runs a 4:40 mile, then tells everyone its 4:35 because that is what it looked like as you ran past the clock several meters before the finish line.

When you are running 51 second quarter pace 1.4 seconds is a long way, and may even look like 2 or 3 seconds to an untrained eye.

And how about to a stop watch? Time it. I dare you.

Is this guy seriously debating the credibility of the FAT system at a National Championship? I don't care how many times you watch the video and hand time it. I don't care if you were at the race standing at the finish line hand timing it. You are clearly a fool.

Please give it up. splits reported the official FAT splits from the meet timing system. I think you have some trust issues - perhaps counseling would be beneficial?

"Aboslutely precise?" If you are going to make such a huge deal about seconds and tenths of seconds, your opinion on what is accurate, and make unfounded claims about people insinutating that they are stupid... at least use the correct GD word for accuracy.

Couldn't agree more. Robby ran a 1:44.71 off of an International 400 split pace. He still walked everyone down by running close variance splits of 51 point and 53 which is the most economic way to run the 800. Take a look at Sebastian Coe's races, they are very similar in execution and we all know what he accomplished. Robby is actually built just like him.

As much as I think you are an idiot, I went back and timed it myself. I got 1.26 seconds between Jock and Andrews. Taking human error away from this, I estimate that the FAT timing system was correct. But maybe, maybe not.

Equinox2100 wrote:

This isn't the officials hand timed splits. This is a computer system. Lasers taking exact splits to the thousands, maybe ten thousands place if need be.

If you disagree with that, then how can you trust any of the finish times at all?

Thousandths*, ten thousandths*

Sorry, just had to contribute my 2 cents to an idiotic conversation.

I've never heard anyone ever against FAT accuracy...but I suppose there is a first to everything.

Symmonds to win, Greer to place and who cares to show