Fla. jogger shoots teen in self defense

The dude came out of no where and punched him in the face!! HELL YEAH, WHITE, BLACK, BLUE, YELLOW, GREEN,OR PURPLE, I WOULD HAVE SHOT HIS ASS 8 TIMES ALSO!!

naferp wrote:

The dude came out of no where and punched him in the face!! HELL YEAH, WHITE, BLACK, BLUE, YELLOW, GREEN,OR PURPLE, I WOULD HAVE SHOT HIS ASS 8 TIMES ALSO!!

Ok. 8 times is racism, once or maybe twice would be believable.

The fact that no charges were filed is whats racist. Someone died, a human being, just like you, or the jogger.

Fishing Instructor wrote:

A more fair and balanced report on the incident in that it gives some basis for the DA's decision not to file charges:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/jan/11/112201/no-charges-for-jogger-in-town-n-country-fatal-shoo/news-metro/

This paints a slightly different picture than what I had originally assumed had happened.

"As the three were walking towards each other on the sidewalk, Mustelier told his friend he was going to knock Baker out, the friend told investigators..........Mustelier lunged at Baker and took a swing. Baker backed up and said, "Wanna play games? You wanna play games"

[quote]No trigger discipline wrote:

Ok. 8 times is racism, once or maybe twice would be believable. [quote]

So if attacked, you need to stop after each shot and ask, "Are you incapacitated, now?" If the response is another punch to the face, then you shoot a second time and repeat the question? Glad to see you're so supportive of the attacked victim here. Maybe because he's white, and you're a racist, you're seeing things from a biased point of view.

And every time someone gets attacked and fights back, law enforcement needs to lock the victim up? Don't think you're going to convince me of that one either.

There you go again, UncleB, playing the race card. If this was a white on black crime, then where's Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?

I like Blue Women wrote:

So if attacked, you need to stop after each shot and ask, "Are you incapacitated, now?" If the response is another punch to the face, then you shoot a second time and repeat the question? Glad to see you're so supportive of the attacked victim here. Maybe because he's white, and you're a racist, you're seeing things from a biased point of view.

And every time someone gets attacked and fights back, law enforcement needs to lock the victim up? Don't think you're going to convince me of that one either.

Fighting back is fine. Heck, the shooter could've knocked the kid out and he would get no grief from me. But do you honestly think the taking of a life is justified in this case? That this citizen is allowed to be judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one?

stringer bell wrote:

I like Blue Women wrote:

So if attacked, you need to stop after each shot and ask, "Are you incapacitated, now?" If the response is another punch to the face, then you shoot a second time and repeat the question? Glad to see you're so supportive of the attacked victim here. Maybe because he's white, and you're a racist, you're seeing things from a biased point of view.

And every time someone gets attacked and fights back, law enforcement needs to lock the victim up? Don't think you're going to convince me of that one either.

Fighting back is fine. Heck, the shooter could've knocked the kid out and he would get no grief from me. But do you honestly think the taking of a life is justified in this case? That this citizen is allowed to be judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one?

Most cops are exactly this today towards dark skinned people with afro features.

Its just racism.

stringer bell wrote:

Fighting back is fine. Heck, the shooter could've knocked the kid out and he would get no grief from me. But do you honestly think the taking of a life is justified in this case? That this citizen is allowed to be judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one?

We're not all marshal arts experts or thugs capable of knocking someone out. In this case, I am more concerned that the jogger could have ended up dead if he didn’t defend himself. When this citizen was attacked and his life was endangered, he was allowed by law to defend himself by whatever means available to him. The idea that he should have suffered the assault, and if still alive afterwards report it to the local law enforcement officials so that the mugger could be taken to a judge is insane.

I don't feel sorry for the poor young thug here. You go around attacking people, you have to expect that these sorts of outcomes are a real possibility. Just thank goodness the jogger is okay.

stringer bell wrote:

That this citizen is allowed to be judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one?

I don't think that a person should be FORCED into the position of becoming judge, jury, and executioner. However, this man was forced to make the decision the moment he was attacked. He made the decision that allowed him to escape from a person who wanted to harm him. So no, a person should not be judge, jury, and executioner because a person should not be put into a situation that warrants it.

I'm not saying he should've "suffered the assult." I think standing your ground is fine. I just find the idea of vigilante justice very frightening.

What if I'm driving, and someone swerves into my lane unexpectedly? Since vehicles have been designated "deadly weapons" by the courts, can I open fire on the other driver because I felt my life was threatened?

AuntB wrote:

There you go again, UncleB, playing the race card. If this was a white on black crime, then where's Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?

.

A white jogger (I assume) kills a nonwhite kid and no charges are filed, you cheer this on....and I am playing the race card?

No trigger discipline wrote:

Festizio wrote:

probably shot the entire magazine

its a f***ing clip you dip shit.

i laughed pretty hard when i read that, haha, you must be awesome at call of duty

The New UncleB wrote:

A white jogger (I assume) kills a nonwhite kid and no charges are filed, you cheer this on....and I am playing the race card?

A criminal attacks a man who is minding his own business and the man who was minding his own business defends himself and you think that the victim should be charged?

the thug made him do it wrote:

The New UncleB wrote:

A white jogger (I assume) kills a nonwhite kid and no charges are filed, you cheer this on....and I am playing the race card?

A criminal attacks a man who is minding his own business and the man who was minding his own business defends himself and you think that the victim should be charged?

I certainly do so that an investigation can be done. Are we to take the word of the jogger as gospel?

The New UncleB wrote:

A white jogger (I assume) kills a nonwhite kid and no charges are filed, you cheer this on....and I am playing the race card?

A victim of an attack shot and killed the attacker during the assault. That sounds right regardless of what colors you want to paint on either side of the equation.

stringer bell wrote:

What if I'm driving, and someone swerves into my lane unexpectedly? Since vehicles have been designated "deadly weapons" by the courts, can I open fire on the other driver because I felt my life was threatened?

That's easy. No. Why do liberal have such a hard time understandig what's right and wrong. Now take a similar situation, where you were trying to flee someone pursuing you in their car, they've rammed you off the road, spun around and are now bearing down on you for the death hit. Then, yes, by all means open fire and save yourself. If you were in this situation I would hope you wouldn't think that it was the appropriate time for a granola break instead.

This doesn't add up. Shot at 8 times, hit in the back. By a "runner" who was jogging at 1:30 AM, who had previous contact with the kid who was shot. Seriously?

I like Blue Women wrote:

[quote]The New UncleB wrote:

A white jogger (I assume) kills a nonwhite kid and no charges are filed, you cheer this on....and I am playing the race card?

A victim of an attack shot and killed the attacker during the assault. That sounds right regardless of what colors you want to paint on either side of the equation.

Can you give me even one example of where a black man shot and killed a white teen-ager, claimed he had been attacked, and was not charged with anything? Just one?

Are you implying that white teenagers hold themselves to a higher standard than blacks and are rarely involved in these types of situations? That's a rather racist proposition on your part, Unc.

The New UncleB wrote:

I certainly do so that an investigation can be done. Are we to take the word of the jogger as gospel?

What makes you think that an investigation was not done?