Can I break 3 hours?

I'll have an answer for you Monday.

gonna need a summary of all that chief

Looks close enough to go for it.

Start out on pace or a little slower- 7:15 down to 7:00. Should be in the groove by 10 miles- 6:52.

You are definitely very close if the race unfolds well. Your long tempos are very solid. I say do first 3 miles at 7:15 to 7:00 and try to hit the half at 1:29:30 to 1:30:30 and then see how you feel and take it from there. If you are having a good day, then you so sub-3, if not, then you will still have a solid PR day of sub-3:04.

I think that you could definitely have benefited from higher mileage, but you definitely have a shot.

Thanks for the input.

I’m approaching sub-3 as a stretch goal. I’ll probably go out a bit under sub-3 pace, then pick it up if I feel good.

Let us know how it goes.

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Blew up at 23.5 miles-3:16. It was bad- I almost fainted. I was close to pace at that point. Since I'm already qualified for Boston, I went for it. I think I need to increase my mileage, run more long tempos and cut some of the anerobic work. Also I think I need to incorporate a gel somewhere between mile 15 and 18. I blew up at the same point in the race in Boston. I may also try a long slow run (24-26) near the tail end of my next base phase.

Overall, I'm disappointed but I definately learned a lot. I began running only two years ago. I've got the patience to wait a few years to reach my potential.

Damn, my money was on "yes".

That must have been some explosion to lose 16 min in the last 3 miles.

Probably just another solid season will do it if you've only been running two years.

Better luck next time.

Throw some races in there.

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Damn, my money was on "yes".

That must have been some explosion to lose 16 min in the last 3 miles.

Probably just another solid season will do it if you've only been running two years.

Better luck next time.

Yea. I was laying on the ground for a few minutes.

Good god. That sounds like an entertaining blowup.

I would have bet that you could have made it too based on your workouts.

There is something else going on...from what you posted in terms of workouts, you should have easily been under 3.

What was your nutrition/hydration plan for the race?

I also would have said you would have broken 3 hours. I think your training was definitely sufficient. The only thing I note is that you had a lot of 8-12 mile mid week runs. I'd consider a few longer mid weeks runs (14-15) mixed in. I don't think you needed more overall miles, however. E.g., instead of three mid week days of 10-12-10, try 10-15-7

I wonder if it was a race day issue. Did you not take any gels at all before 18 miles? What about hydration? Is that course hilly? Was it hot.

Keep trying.

I also would have said you would have broken 3 hours. I think your training was definitely sufficient. The only thing I note is that you had a lot of 8-12 mile mid week runs. I'd consider a few longer mid weeks runs (14-15) mixed in. I don't think you needed more overall miles, however. E.g., instead of three mid week days of 10-12-10, try 10-15-7

I wonder if it was a race day issue. Did you not take any gels at all before 18 miles? What about hydration? Is that course hilly? Was it hot.

Keep trying.

I didn't take any gels. I really think that may have been the problem. I did take gatorade at every station though. The weather was perfect for the entire race (between 50-60 degrees). I blew up a bit in Boston around the same spot, though it wasn't quite as epic.

Oddly enough, I negative split my first two marathons without gels. I must be burning more glycogen as apposed to fat at faster paces.

I agree about the mid-week long run. I think extending the runs to 15 or 16 miles would do wonders for my aerobic fitness.

I'm really glad I finished though. I have no idea how I got up and jogged. I think I would have crawled if I had to.