I know. What with those 7.0 tremors every spring, how do those silly Californians get through earthquake season?
I know. What with those 7.0 tremors every spring, how do those silly Californians get through earthquake season?
They get through them because they are so out of touch with the real world and stoned most of the time.
jsquire wrote:
LA is the undisputed world capitol of overinflated self-image. It has no NFL team, no important stop on the PGA tour, no stop on the ATP/WTA tours at all.
New York is the greatest city in the world, and every sports league and tour goes there as much as possible. That's where USATF needs to be.
Regardless, the only possible reason there ever was to be in Indy was to work more closely with the NCAA and NFHS. That hasn't happened and it was a fantasy to think it ever would.
NY is a shite hole. I've lived in both NY and L.A. Both are crap for different reasons, but NY is a filthy, dirty, crime-filled mess, even more so than L.A. The only reason NY gets positive press is because the folks who run the media literally see it as some type of second homeland. But outside of small areas of Manhattan, they won't live there. Much the same for L.A. I suspect that jsquire would want the headquarters of track and field to be located in the dead center of Harlem.
I agree. LA City and County have invited the NFL to bring tnty. wo teams to LA, but the NFL decided on it's own to stay away. Name another part of the world that is so murderous and crime ridden that it even scared the big-bad Raiders football club away. The Raiders packed up and left L.A. with their tail between their legs. It's far more tame in Oakland.
But I would disagree that LA does not support T&F. In fact the So Cal USATF Assn accounts for a major portion of the entite national memebership. At top meets from Boston to Eugene, and all across the U.S.A., there are always a large contingent of volunteer So Cal USATF officials on hand. Of the 32 athletes who medalled at 2009 Berlin last week, 10 are residents of Los Angeles County.
I would like to take this opportunity to highly reccommend to Zionists that they wear Mormon undergarments to become closer to God Almighty.
theothercoast wrote:
"There are very passionate individuals there in positions to do big things."
Who besides Mary W. and Norb Sanders?
By stating that it shows you are very ignorant to what goes on in NYC. There is a large team of people. Both Mary and Norb are both great business people and Mary knows what it takes to put on big time events.
As for the Armory they are far from that. They charge over $1000 per hour to run and event there and try to charge meet directors $36K for a two day HS meet. They are about the money and not what's best for the event or the athletes.
As for the passionate people you have the NYRR,NYRRF,a few of the local college track coaches, 100's of HS coaches, the Icahn Stadium folks, Global Athletics also represents NY very well, Allen Stein., Walt Murphy, and David Katz just to name a few. You could put together a "dream team" if the foundation would form.
What is the goal of USATF ? Is it to reward those executive and volunteers in Portland, L.A. and NYC with the IAAF WC games and Olympics games, etc. and additional spots on the infamous USATF/IAAF/NYRR/BAA/NCAA/ChiMara gravy train,
--or--
is the goal of USATF to support athletes and coaches and their efforts to win medals for the U.S.A. at the Olympics, IAAF WC, etc ?
I mean really ;-(
Also not to mention the amount of events that go on in NYC in a given year from HS thru elite. I might be off with some of the numbers but roughly VCP will see 70-100 XC meets a year, the Armory between 80-100 Meets, Icahn Stadium between 50-60 meets, NYRR probably have 30-50 races a year, and add in all the other parks, indoor tracks, and outdoor tracks in the city and thats probably another 200. What other metro area is running 500+ running/track and field events in a year? Out of those 500+ maybe 10-15 are put on by USATF and USATF Metro. I see a problem with that.
It takes passion from way more then 2 people to produce that many events. Out of all the meets at the armory only 6 or 7 of them are actual armory meets and not event produced by armory staff.
It will be very interesting to see what happens in another year when the staten island track center opens. That facility will be a indoor 6 lane hydrolic/9 lane straight away/full field event mondo track with more seating then the Armory and over a 1000 parking places. Again, there is a group of passionate people there making that project happen.
The Goal of USATF is, as they say, to support athletes and coaches at all levels (youth, masters, open, and elite). The purpose of USATF is not limited to supporting efforts to win medals at the Olympics, because track and field is a sport for life. Now, most of the membership fees come from youth, but the TV and sponsorship revenues come from elite athletes...so, despite their professed purpose, they will always be focused on the elite name athletes. Craig Masback understood this very well...and if he didn't, the elites reminded him every day. Masback also knew that the only way to support these elites properly was to run a business model that resulted in positive revenue flow. It was this demand that led him to favor Eugene for the Oly Trials 2008 and 2012. He had confidence and trust in Eugene's ability to make money for USATF...but not so much confidence from other wannabe's that I will not name.
Like the commission reccomended, I hope Doug can refocus USATF goals to medals and elite athletes, and lower the priority of catering to outside executives.
Deer Doug Logan.....
You're the ignorant one.
Dr. Sander heads the Armory Foundation. He must OK the pricing you're describing.
It's nice what the Armory has done for indoor T&F, what VCP has done for XC, and what UO has done for outdoor distances.
For the USA T&F, the core business, solid medal wins, and big money, is primarily the sprints/hurdles. Recent Oly/WC medals have been won in recent times by athletes and coaches primarily around Texas/Arkansas and Los Angeles/San Diego.
USA T&F is still in disarray and in confusion. No clear message has been voiced by Doug Logan.
USA T&F should do as the NFL/NBA/MLB does and concentrate and focus it's people and resources to develop media products specifically around it's most successful core assets, our sprinters and hurdlers.
Curling Cognescenti wrote:
You're the ignorant one.
Dr. Sander heads the Armory Foundation. He must OK the pricing you're describing.
He does okay it...and you think charging a High School 36K plus keeping the door money is okay? Add the two day's of the door money in and that's another 10K, doesn't allow the meet to sell t-shirts or anything to make some money back. You think that is fair? It's about the money.
Management by Objective wrote:
USA T&F should do as the NFL/NBA/MLB does and concentrate and focus it's people and resources to develop media products specifically around it's most successful core assets, our sprinters and hurdlers.
Why the hell did you put apostrophes there???
"Capitol" is a building. "Capital" is a city.
uh ... no. capital is what is needed to build a track and field complex. And LA is a great track and field city, but Eugene is still the US Capitol of T&F. But, why build a new track and field complex on the site of the old LA Sports Arena ? Remodel the LA Coliseum again and put a new track back in. The place can seat close to 100,000, its one of the most historic athletic venues in the country, and they don't use it for anything anymore except for a few USC football games - and they probably won't even win the Pac-10 this year.
UO is a good T&F school and Eugene has good track fans no doubt. I love Track Town USA and always enjoy eating at TTP, Villard Street Pub, Toshi's Ramen, McMillikens (sp?), Evergreen, etc. when I'm there for meets.
LA has the greatest track and field history of any city in the world, with more Olympic and IAAF medals than any other city. L.A. has hosted 2 fantastic Olympic Games. L.A. has 2 of the greatest T&F coaches in the history of the sport, John Smith, and Bobby Kersee. L.A. has 2 of the greatest T&F schools on the planet, USC and UCLA, with the most Olympic and IAAF medals of any school on earth. On and on and on.
All I can say is, we who live on the west coast, are blessed, truly blessed.
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1. the building in Washington, D.C., used by the Congress of the U.S. for its sessions.
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false wrote:
False. LA is the media capital of the world. The TV shows, movies, bands, etc. are most all LA based. NY is important though for live plays. I luv NY.
Sorry, but the money that pays for all of that comes from NY. Each year the Upfront selling season is held in NY for every major broadcast & cable network. The networks have their sales offices in NY because all the people who pay for media live there. Financing for most movies comes out of NY. All the creatives have been exiled to LA so the real men can make some money in NY without being bothered by a bunch of dope-smoking musicians, actors, and their ilk.
And I still don't see the connection between the residence of medal winners and the popularity of the sport. Explain it to me using dollar signs...
That's not true. The TV, media, motion picture, entertainment industry, sports media, etc. industries are centered in Los Angeles. Much of the population of Los Angeles work in the business including the parents of many current and former NCAA notables and elites. San Francisco, New York and other cities have great talent pools too.