Oh My God! I can feel it! Ritzenhein is going to join Salazar's Group

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14 years ago 05/20/2009 12:56pm EDT

re: lohalloran

Ritz and Webb, both are so neurotic that they psyche themselves out of races. How does Webb run 3:47 and miss the Olympic finals? How can Hall be five minutes faster than Ritz? It makes no sense-- Ritz should go to Salazar, train with Rupp and be a new Tim Broe; when Broe trained with those younger guys in Michigan he improved on his 5k greatly, if Ritz does something similar, he could be nationally relevant again... which I'm sorry to say, as a big fan, he's not really, right now (not with Hall, Tegenkamp, Rupp, etc.)

14 years ago 05/20/2009 1:01pm EDT

re: lohalloran

I agree that Americans should train together. Unfortunately, shoe companies don't let adidas guys train with Nike, Reebok, Asics guys, and so forth.

14 years ago 05/20/2009 1:12pm EDT

re: Jag

Sounds like the move to Michigan was strictly a rumor?

14 years ago 05/20/2009 1:15pm EDT

re: Old River Man

Old River Man wrote:
RTI wrote:
Because Hall and Mahon are doing it doesn't mean that it'd be what's right for a completely different runner or even that it'll pay dividends for Hall. The outcome is a complete unknown right now, it's stupid to use it as proof that it's what someone else should do. Good thing people like Rodgers, Khannouchi, etc. don't listen to message board dopes.
The boards were particulary harsh back in Rodgers day. The older runners were so much better than todays runners at blocking out the message board negativity/hype/hoopla.

WTF

message boards in the 70's !!!

14 years ago 05/20/2009 1:19pm EDT

re: Earl

i think he may go back to West Michigan to regroup for a time until he chooses another coach. He will undoubtedly choose Schumaker or AlSal.

14 years ago 05/20/2009 1:26pm EDT

re: Earl

Earl wrote:
Sounds like the move to Michigan was strictly a rumor?

We shall see.

I will have the last laugh.

14 years ago 05/20/2009 2:17pm EDT

re: problem with the usa

why is it that the shoe companies don't want people training together who are sponsored by someone else? there is probably an obvious reason for this but i guess i'm missing it...it seems if their best athletes are in the best training situation and then they go represent nike, asics, brooks, adidas with a great showing in a race the company should be down for that...can someone explain the downside to that scenario?

14 years ago 05/20/2009 2:32pm EDT

re: BloomBalled

Thank you for the Jogger's Earth perspective.

BloomBalled wrote:
RTI wrote:
Because Hall and Mahon are doing it doesn't mean that it'd be what's right for a completely different runner or even that it'll pay dividends for Hall. The outcome is a complete unknown right now, it's stupid to use it as proof that it's what someone else should do. Good thing people like Rodgers, Khannouchi, etc. don't listen to message board dopes.
You f***ing idiot. It's not because Hall's doing it that Ritz should. It's that the reason Hall is doing it should be compelling for Ritzenhein as well. The movement between distances is good, it helps keep you mentally fresher and your body in generally better shape, better rounded. Look at the Africans for crying out loud. Geb drops down to train for the 10k, finishes 5th in the Olympics, and then goes on to re-set the marathon WR in Berlin later that year. Working on his 10k will make Ritz work on the speed side of things (relative to the marathon) and that's good. You ever do 400s and maybe even (gasp!) some 200s when training for the 5k/10k? Right. You did. Because having some speed helps in the 10k. And you only get that speed by doing fast-twitch specific stuff, even if you're only doing a little bit of it and it's mixed with some more strength-oriented work. Likewise, doing 10k oriented training is going to give Ritz and edge that doing purely marathon training--really long runs, long tempos, long intervals--simply won't. And to handle the Africans' pace, and to close well in the marathon, that kind of 10k speed will help. Look at the 10k pr's of the guys Ritz would ideally be able to compete with. Way faster than his. I guarantee every single runner ahead of him at the Olympics had a significantly faster 10k pr. Might as well try to get into their league there before trying to get into their league in the marathon. Thank god you, with no positive plan and merely critical remarks, aren't coaching anybody.

14 years ago 05/20/2009 2:35pm EDT

re: ks_miles

Where do people get this idea that Ritz and other top Americans need some Kenyans to push them harder? If anything they would probably find the training easier overall. Someone like Scott Douglas who has spent time in Kenya should chime in.

14 years ago 05/20/2009 2:39pm EDT

re: ks_miles

Because it's not an issue, it's only an assumption cooked up by simpleton outsiders. They just don't want to train together badly enough, that's what it boils down to.

ks_miles wrote:
why is it that the shoe companies don't want people training together who are sponsored by someone else? there is probably an obvious reason for this but i guess i'm missing it...it seems if their best athletes are in the best training situation and then they go represent nike, asics, brooks, adidas with a great showing in a race the company should be down for that...can someone explain the downside to that scenario?

14 years ago 05/20/2009 3:10pm EDT

re: problem with the usa

They don't? I'm pretty sure the sponsors hold sway over what the athletes wear and occasionally require them to do a couple of races, but they can't tell the athletes who their coach will be.

14 years ago 06/27/2009 10:08am EDT

re: Noob

14 years ago 06/27/2009 11:18am EDT

re: Rockford Rams

Have you laughed yet?

Rockford Rams wrote:
Earl wrote:
Sounds like the move to Michigan was strictly a rumor?
We shall see.
I will have the last laugh.

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