Terrier Classic at BU

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citius5000 wrote:

yes

Yes they will or yes they won't?

Yo, wonder one, got the link for women, please?

Women's Link...

http://www.directathletics.com/Terrier_Womens_Perf_List.pdf?downloader=1&sport=track&meet_hnd=7373

So many false entries....Umass lowell being one of the biggest offenders....I got respect for their athletes, but no way in hell they run anywhere near the times some of them are listed as, and if they do that would be amazing. Either way teams shouldn't be making up fake times at the college level....With the internet these days making times so easy to research, you would think teams would lie so much.

You're right, it really isn't fair. It also messes up the heats in the sprints, sometimes putting two runners in the same heat who shouldn't be. I don't know why a coach can't just tell the truth.

If it's your first race- be conservative. I put on a meet and this girl's time for the 100 hdls was under the World Record! I called the coach and she said the girl never ran it and she didn't know what time to put!

Mrr82 wrote:

Either way teams shouldn't be making up fake times at the college level....

Seeding info should not be made up at ANY level. Get your head out of the sand. Personally, I blame that cheating institution on Huntington Ave for stimulating all of these transgressions we are now seeing.

How about making a comparison after the meet of seed times vs. times run at the meet to highlight the biggest offenders. Spreading that on the internet with the proof might alter the coach's thinking next time, or the meet director might look more closely at accepting the team's entry.

Yes, good idea. Rank the liers. Who do you think is the biggest liar team?

Piiiiker wrote:

Yes, good idea. Rank the liers. Who do you think is the biggest liar team?

I did exactly this for the 2007 BU Valentine Invitational.

My conclusion was that coaches or the athletes themselves bullshit seed times in the men's 5K on around the order of 20 - 30 seconds.

I don't know if I have the information to describe the discrepancy by schools/club.

mr82 Your knowledge of track and field is obviously limited. Most if not all schools over seed. It's common and expected.

The real question is - are athletes getting screwed because of this. If everyone is getting into the correct heat then it doesn't matter. If one or two runners get bumped to a lower heat, that is the nature of the game. You can't just go on previous times because this may be the first serious race for a lot of them. A coach has to position the athlete where it is believed he/she fits.

The serious issue is if there is one coach who constantly lies. If it is to the extent that there is a pattern of good runners getting bumped by a school that never meets their seeds, then it is something the "coaching community" will work out. We do it at the high school level all the time. I expect college coaches with arguably more on the line wouldn't tolerate it for long.

I totally agree with you as well. Mark Miller seeded in the 3k at 8:09 and someone just said in another post he only ran 8:28 and 4:11 in the Mile. I would not want to be him in that race with guys going sub 8min. He could potentially get lapped. I dont think he has ever run under 8:22?

Mark Miller will be fine in that heat on a good day without question he bleongs in that section. Mark has Prs of 14:10ish and 4:06ish not 100% sure.

Here's a closer look, broken down by team, of the lies that were perpetrated at the 2007 BU Valentine Invitational in the Men's 5K. The heats were not recorded, but I remember there being some pretty big discrepancies (like guys getting double lapped).

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pn3BfdFZGPanX1y1Pqau8Vg&output=html

Personally, I think these invitationals should require documentation of relevant times, and barring that, an athlete should have to endure being put into a crappy "all-comers" heat and earn their keep. You have to go on previous times because otherwise the entries and the construction of heats is subjective and, as we saw last year, prone to error.

I agree that these times should be real times. It is a little tough for some events, but equivalents could be used - e.g. 9:00 for 3K = 15:40 5K. The people who get hurt are the ones who tell the truth.

In Massachusetts, at the high school level, proof of perfomance sheets are required for all entries to the state class meets.

Overnight, it stopped the liars.

southern maine is going to have 3 kids under 15 minutes, including one under 14:30? Didn't realize they had that kind of talent.

yeah southern maine is loaded this year I mean they were the seventh best team in New England D3. They were also the 20th best team at the New England Championships.