Global Warming Consensus -- Not man made!!

Wow now it is just like 400 to 4000? I just don't see why people such as the authors assume that we can spoil the world and not have repercussions. I know for a fact that the snows of Kilimanjaro and several of the Alps peaks are drastically losing their glaciers, how besides man made toxins do we explain the hole the size of Texas above Australia I am sure the liberals are making that up as well, that cfc's do indeed help the environment, there were wmds in Iraq, Saddam did fly one of the planes in Sept. 11, that extinction is not happening at an alarming rate, and corporate interests do not help to fund these "think" tanks. I would not look to deep into these 370 scientists to find where funding for their projects comes from, Pfizer, Exxon, Boeing, Cargill. I know I am now convinced that just because water temps are rising, polar ice caps are melting, and species are dying that because some 50 billion years ago (last great extinction) we should place our heads firmly up our Humvee's tailpipe and assume it is all a lie. I am willing to look at both sides and have your side is as full of as many holes it resembles swiss cheese. Good luck for now I am not going to start burning tires in the street, driving a duelie deseal, or logging.

Uh, lets see, Inhofe and the Washington Times. No pre-existing ideological biases there!

If you think Inhofe and the Washington TImes have opinions on global warming driven by research rather than a pre-existing ideology that doesn't want any excuses for regulating private behavior, you are nuts. Nothing would count as evidence fo these folks.

The parallels between the anti-global warming crowd and the anti-evolution crowd are obvious insofar as they have ideologies that make up their mind before the evidence is in and they try to find any evidence that justifies that bias and disregard any that doesn't.

Why are the icecaps on Mars melting?

Global warming there too?

Despite despising Exxon, you should look at Mr. Gore - he is head of a multi billion dollar hedge fund set to make TRILLIONS off of global warming - he ans his company only make money if there is the perception that the world is going to end tomorrow.

"We must put a price on carbon!" - because Al wants to be the banker for carbon credit trading. No global warming because of fossil fuels, no carbon credits, no carbon credit trading exchange, Al Gore and friends loose trillions of dollars.

I see you took page one out of the liberal playbook. Ignore the message, attack the messenger and change the subject.

Olympus Mons wrote:

Why are the icecaps on Mars melting?

Global warming there too?

Despite despising Exxon, you should look at Mr. Gore - he is head of a multi billion dollar hedge fund set to make TRILLIONS off of global warming - he ans his company only make money if there is the perception that the world is going to end tomorrow.

"We must put a price on carbon!" - because Al wants to be the banker for carbon credit trading. No global warming because of fossil fuels, no carbon credits, no carbon credit trading exchange, Al Gore and friends loose trillions of dollars.

Today's man-made global warming is new the Y2K panic. Oops, it was a scam, too.

Brian wrote:

Uh, lets see, Inhofe and the Washington Times. No pre-existing ideological biases there!

since al gore is in business to make a profit off the idea of MAN MADE global warming, and many scientists get grants to study this (thus their livelihoods depend on it) i am curious if you have ever posted the same comment when discussing al gore's beliefs?

Today's man-made global warming is new the Y2K panic. Oops, it was a scam, too.

Do you know how much work went into preventing a Y2K meltdown. It is not like all software developers went on a 5 year hiatus before Y2K. Maybe we should work just as hard to prvent gloabl warning as we did Y2K and then it WOULD be a scam.

Brian wrote:

The parallels between the anti-global warming crowd ...

just who exactly is the "anti-global warming crowd?"

i mean that as a serious question. i have no idea who they are. i thought most everyone agreed the earth has been warming. i have never really heard anyone argue different.

the issue is the CAUSE of the warming.

you are either intentionally misrepresenting the other side's views or you are ignorant of them.

the FACT is that the earth has been warmer in the past - the middle ages for example.

the fact is that many other planets have shrinking polar ice caps - mars, jupiter and even pluto. it is also true the polar caps on some moons around those planets are also shrinking.

the fact is the sun is going through a period of increased output.

can you explain why the warming on the earth should be expected to be caused by some source other than the sun, which is the cause of warming on the other planets in the solar system?

He's right. The earth probably won't die. But we will.

runbaby wrote:

He's right. The earth probably won't die. But we will.

Both man and the polar bears came out of the Middle Ages ok.

Just don't panic Chicken Little.

I had an aquaintance/friend who would contact smaller companies and offer to come in a "GREATLY REDUCE" the cost of preventing their anticipated computer crashes for as low as $500.

All he would do is go into the date and time and make certain it read the year 2000, click save and leave. Pretty ballsy but not one company had a problem. Pure genius. He banked a cool 50K on a panic.

inhofe is a nut. calling global warming a greatest "hoax" means implies it was done on purpose. that's paranoid thinking.

inhofe is a nut. calling global warming a great "hoax" implies it was done on purpose. that's paranoid thinking.

sam w wrote:

since al gore is in business to make a profit off the idea of MAN MADE global warming, and many scientists get grants to study this (thus their livelihoods depend on it) i am curious if you have ever posted the same comment when discussing al gore's beliefs?

Al Gore aside, surely an educated man like yourself, sam, can tell the difference between climate research sponsored by NOAA or the NWS and that sponsored by Exxon-Mobil.

If you can't, then society has a much bigger problem than "Global Warming: Fact or Fiction."

runbaby wrote:

He's right. The earth probably won't die. But we will.

Yes, a temperature increase of a couple of degrees is going to completely wipe out the human race. Nevermind that our branch of the primate tree has been around for 2million years, and in that time we have somehow managed to make it through multiple ice ages and warming periods. When Humans came to North America, Ice extended as far south as Kansas, but they somehow survived. Before the last ice age, global temperatures were 7-9 degrees C higher than they are now (look it up), and humans survived that too.

I believe humans have played some role in our current climate, and I think we owe it to ourselves and our futures to do something about it. I do not believe it is anywhere near as massive and threatening of an impact as many think it is. And it certainly isn't going to wipe the human race out.

there would not have been a meltdown - only annoyances - and mostly in crappy old mainframes. it was 99.9% hype by the guys who made a profit from playing up the hype with their fear mongering scenarios - media, folks pitching books, etc. coupled with ignorance of people who were seeing PCs and computers creeping into their lives.

at the software shop where i worked, people scoffed at the big y2k bogyman that was being played up every night on the news.

If one were to view the planet as a living organism, and not everyone does, you would have to accept that human activity is akin to a cancer on the planet. We are destructive organisms that, through a combination of pollution, overpopluation, and explotation of resources are ensuring our ultimate demise. It stands to reason the curve would be exponential due to population growth, so we are more likely to see the effects in our lifetime.

I think most rational people understand this and it seems to me the only way to rationalize the greed (because face it, continuing to expliot limited resources beyond sustainability is either stupid or greedy)is to believe some invisible dude in the sky put all this here just for us to use & take whatever we want. That is why today's conservative movement is the perfect synergy of blind faith and greed.

Otherwise you are forced to accept that we have no more right to destroy the planet (and I don't think anyone doubts we are destroying the planet)than any other creature on it.

djäveln wrote:

inhofe is a nut. calling global warming a great "hoax" implies it was done on purpose. that's paranoid thinking.

perhaps "hoax" was a poor choice of words - al gore and friends have come to town selling snake oil.

"There are many factors which may contribute to climate change. For example, over the last million years most of the long-term changes in climate were probably due to small but well understood changes in the Earth’s orbit around the Sun. Over much of the last 1,000 years most of the variability can probably be explained by cooling due to major volcanic eruptions and changes in solar heating.

However, the situation in the 20th century is more complicated. There is some evidence that increases in solar heating may have led to some warming early in the 20th century, but direct satellite measurements show no appreciable change in solar heating over the last three decades. Three major volcanic eruptions in 1963, 1982 and 1991 have led to short periods of cooling. Throughout the century CO2 increased steadily and has been shown to be responsible for most of the warming in the second half of the century.

The final piece of the jigsaw is that as well as producing CO2, burning fossil fuels also produces small particles called aerosols which cool the climate by reflecting sunlight back into space. These have increased steadily in concentration over the 20th century, which has probably offset some of the warming we have seen. Only when all of these factors are included do we get a satisfactory explanation of the magnitude and patterns of climate change over the last century.

The bottom line is that changes in solar activity do affect global temperatures. However, what research also shows is that increased greenhouse gas concentrations have a much greater effect than changes in the Sun’s energy over the last 50 years."

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/myths/index.html

When the earth warms, humans wont beome extinct there will just be less of us. The earth wont die until the sun consumes it.