College Scholarship Question

Everything really depends but my guess is:

4:00/14:10 XC -- 4:10/14:35 XC = Very good scholarship at very good school

4:10/14:35 XC --4:15/14:55 XC = Pretty good scholarship

4:15/14:55 XC -- 4:20/15:15 XC = Some scholarship

4:20/15:15 XC -- 4:25/15:30 XC = MAYBE something

4:25/15:30 XC -- 4:35/16:00 XC = Walk on somewhere decent

This is assuming a fast XC course and is a total guess

BTW you can walk on at most schools (not good DI) with times MUCH worse than these

i have a friend who got a full ride to a pretty good d1 program running 9:10 for 3200m

I am really tired of people suggesting that these outrageously fast times are necessary to run/ get a scholarship in college. Yeah, maybe for the top few powerhouses, but you're telling me a kid running 4:10-4:15 is only going to get a pretty good or some scholarship... Come on, that just isn't true for most D1 teams. How many kids ever go sub 4:10 in any given year?

This isn't meant as an attack against the original poster either, these crazy standards are posted all the time.

Can people out there suggest well known academic institutions that would give a scholarship to a 4:18 miler.

hmmm what about me? wrote:

Can people out there suggest well known academic institutions that would give a scholarship to a 4:18 miler.

UNC usually throws a couple of 4:teens kids a little bit of money every year..

fastkid wrote:

My son looks like he has the potential to be a very good runner. I am a road racer and I really don't know how 5k road times translate to 5k cross country times. What kind of 5k time (on the road) and what kind of mile time (on the track) does it take to get a div 1 or div 2 scholarship? Any help would be appreciated.Thanks.

To fastkid: One thing coaches would look for is someone who can score points in their conference championships by the time they are a sophomore or junior. You would have to check that school's conference postings and determine what times were run (also check the times for the seeded runners as their best times may not have been run in the championship race).

The scholarship will often also be based on the potential be an All-American at that institution so meeting the NCAA provisional/automatic qualifying times is the target. IMO , a 4:17 HS miler who is willing to work consistently can eventually do all these things at many D1 schools.

I was a walk-on at a Big Ten school in the 1970s with 4:26 Mile and 9:39 2M credentials. The following year I ran a 4:15 Mile and 8:52 Two Mile and was awarded a scholarship based upon the above criteria including the understanding that I would continue to improve from there (eventually I got down to a 4:06 mile & 8:49 2 mile.) The top Big Ten runners like Glenn Herold, Craig Virgin, Pat Mandera, Steve Heidenreich, Mike Durkin, Mark Johnson, etc., of course, were much faster.

Coach Ron Helmer at Indiana has a web site wherein you can contact him and complete a form detailing best times. I assume other coaches do this. I am sure they would like to hear about your son's ability.

Michael

Michael

Save your time. Ask coaches at the schools in which you are interested. Are you trying to find a school and program that matches your son's strengths and interests or secure a scholarship? Don't put the cart before the horse. Too many runners and their families are seduced by $$, coaches' promises, etc. and end up in the wrong situations. Just my $.02

My son was a 4:15 and 9:14 guy out of HS - but ran very few meets. In the meets he did run they were all very high profile and he did not win any of them, but raced in front of a lot of D1 coaches. His best CC 5K was 15:30, indoors he went much faster. At VCP he made the all-time top 50 list.

He was awarded an in-state schlarship and room and board to a a very good (not great) D1 school. An academic schlarship picked up the balance - since he went to a school outside of our home state.

Many schools (he was told during the recruiting process) place value entirely on if you can place at conference (just like an earlier poster pointed out) in track. One SEC school laid out for exactly what it took to run in HS to potentially place in the conference. Like a lot of previous posters stated before "it depends". Who has money and do you want to go there. Who has seen you run. What meets did you run certain times. Potentially can you score points in the conference track meet.

1) Have your son concentrate on academics.

2) Have your son concentrate on academics.

3) Have your son concentrate on academics.

4) Have your son find a good school with a very good coach.

5) Have your son pay back a reasonable amount of student loans with the very good job they get.

6) There is not always a lot of competition for track/cc coaching jobs out there. Consequently, there are a lot of duds offering money. Consequently, there are a lot of talented runners who wash out. Find a good coach.

Well at my school it doesnt matter how fast you run to get scholarship. You just have to score some major points at big meets. So since we are in a good conference Ill say you have to run 14-1430ish to get top 8.

well you could always be a 4 10/9 10 type and shoot for stony brook in long island but you will probabaly be turned away or ignored so coach can bring in a kid from europe that is nowhere near as good, and only bring him in for a year, instead of a much better guy like you for 4 years.

botttom line, if you are fast and you are american, stay away from sbu

The real stat:

College's breack into three cat:

Top notch D1 (NCAA teams that make nationals)stanford, Gtown, Princeton) You need Grades 3.5 and sat 1400

4:00-4:10 very good scholarship

4:10-4:15 pretty good scholarship

4:15-2:20 Maybe scholarship

4:20-4:25 Walk on

4:25-4:30 I will give you a training schedule come back at the end of a year and tell me if you improved

competitive D1 (NCAA schools that can make Nationals on a good year) Grades are very important 3.0 and 1200 sat

4:00-4:10 full scholarship including books and board

4:11-4:15 3/4 to full no books and books and board

4:15-4:19 half

4:20-4:24 depends on build, high school and state. If there looks like potential 1/4-half

4:24 and up (walk on)

non competitive D1

fastkid wrote:

My son looks like he has the potential to be a very good runner. I am a road racer and I really don't know how 5k road times translate to 5k cross country times. What kind of 5k time (on the road) and what kind of mile time (on the track) does it take to get a div 1 or div 2 scholarship? Any help would be appreciated.Thanks.

First, D2 does not give "scholarships". Some might give assistance, or "packages". Second, to be looked at by ANY D1 program worth any weight, the runner would need to be a sub 15:45 for H.S. xc, and hopefully one of the best in the state wherever he is.

If he can run a sub-10:00 2 mile on the track, then he will get some looks from small schools that are not great programs. Under 9:30, he gets more looks from bigger programs, etc. etc.

actually, D2 does give scholarships, its D3 that gives "packages" or w/e. just a little FYI

Thanks for the information.

Any idea of 2 mile times?

i.e. the general 2 mile time one would have to hit for a nice scholarship at a great d1 school (like you said, georgetown, stanford, etc)

zoomskylon313 wrote:

Thanks for the information.

Any idea of 2 mile times?

i.e. the general 2 mile time one would have to hit for a nice scholarship at a great d1 school (like you said, georgetown, stanford, etc)

9:07-9:12

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d3 can't give any "packages" to student athletes that aren't availible to the rest of the student body[quote]katierunsalot wrote: