If they are even with 1200M to go, then Withrow will beat him to the line. Lomong's the one who'll need to be enough ahead to avoid Withrow's kick.
The argument for Lomong is pointing at PR's and a 400M track ability. My argument is: Withrow's demonstrated his devastating kick before and has a mean streak.
What about Galen Rupp's 1.5 mile kick???
withrow will not be in the top 5.
Below is Withrow's 2003 footlocker win over Rupp, Kiptoo and McDougal. If you haven't seen it (I hadn't), it's a great watch. BTW, Withrow left a 3:41 guy standing still, when he was probably several seconds slower at that time. Look at that mentality and tell me he'll let a 400M track PR beat him.
You make me laugh! Withrow will not be within 100m of Lomong coming down the straightaway so it is hard to believe that he will outkick him. No chance!
Ok. I looked. I saw. A 400m track PR will beat him if it's Lomong's.
Very funny! wrote:
You make me laugh! Withrow will not be within 100m of Lomong coming down the straightaway so it is hard to believe that he will outkick him. No chance!
That's why I said IF. That's why I said Lomong had better be far ahead. Read before posting. But it's also not like Withrow being within 1 yard is crazy.
what about galen's 6.2 mile kick?
leg twitcher wrote:
what about galen's 6.2 mile kick?
They kind of look alike, but I think you're mixed up with Ryan Hall.
ttc wrote:
If they are even with 1200M to go, then Withrow will beat him to the line. Lomong's the one who'll need to be enough ahead to avoid Withrow's kick.
The argument for Lomong is pointing at PR's and a 400M track ability. My argument is: Withrow's demonstrated his devastating kick before and has a mean streak.
I knew you were referencing footlocker from a few years ago, but......is that your MAIN argument for Winthrow's "devastating kick" ? I am asking seriously, because for all I know (and I don't), he's done it several other times too. But if you are mainly basing your argument on one kick from several years ago in high school, um, you'll have to do better than that to convince me he is an outstanding kicker and can outkick lomong.
And by the way, remember all the people saying that just because El G was a much faster 800/miler guy than Bekele, it didn't matter in a longer race, because Bekele had a great kick (which he did) AND, more importantly (in the minds of the people making this argument), it was an endurance race and Bekele would take the kick out of El G and El G would have nothing left to kick with, ie, his miler speed wouldn't matter in a 5k. Lots of people made that argument on here, and they were wrong. El G's superior pure speed beat Bekele twice in 5k's. If the guy is sufficiently strong (and El G was , and Lomong certainly is....isn't he 2nd highest finisher returning from last year's X-C finals? Yup.), then the superior speed will matter in a kick.
I hope Winthrow is there with 1200 to go, so then we can see who is right.
your truly an idiot, AN ENDURANCE RACE??? they ran slow and El G was comfortable, trust me bekele would have beaten him with a nice mile kick to the finish. They waited too long, monday will have no waiting its gonna be 420's first mile putting alot of people in debt, alot of top 20 guys will go to 50 by the end
Sir Lance-alot wrote:
ttc wrote:If they are even with 1200M to go, then Withrow will beat him to the line. Lomong's the one who'll need to be enough ahead to avoid Withrow's kick.
The argument for Lomong is pointing at PR's and a 400M track ability. My argument is: Withrow's demonstrated his devastating kick before and has a mean streak.
I knew you were referencing footlocker from a few years ago, but......is that your MAIN argument for Winthrow's "devastating kick" ? I am asking seriously, because for all I know (and I don't), he's done it several other times too. But if you are mainly basing your argument on one kick from several years ago in high school, um, you'll have to do better than that to convince me he is an outstanding kicker and can outkick lomong.
And by the way, remember all the people saying that just because El G was a much faster 800/miler guy than Bekele, it didn't matter in a longer race, because Bekele had a great kick (which he did) AND, more importantly (in the minds of the people making this argument), it was an endurance race and Bekele would take the kick out of El G and El G would have nothing left to kick with, ie, his miler speed wouldn't matter in a 5k. Lots of people made that argument on here, and they were wrong. El G's superior pure speed beat Bekele twice in 5k's. If the guy is sufficiently strong (and El G was , and Lomong certainly is....isn't he 2nd highest finisher returning from last year's X-C finals? Yup.), then the superior speed will matter in a kick.
I hope Winthrow is there with 1200 to go, so then we can see who is right.
Did I say that was my main argument? It's an example of his mentality.
Sir Lance-alot wrote:
...And by the way, remember all the people saying that just because El G was a much faster 800/miler guy than Bekele, it didn't matter in a longer race...
That's a track 5K. I'm talking about a XC 10K. Even so, you can't just go off of PR's. Holman had a great 800M PR for a U.S. miler. Part of a kick is a fearless drive and ignoring pain. Withrow has both down better than anyone.
ttc wrote:
Below is Withrow's 2003 footlocker win over Rupp, Kiptoo and McDougal. If you haven't seen it (I hadn't), it's a great watch. BTW, Withrow left a 3:41 guy standing still, when he was probably several seconds slower at that time. Look at that mentality and tell me he'll let a 400M track PR beat him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxgJZt0UOos
I watched that race. You do realize that that happened almost 4 years ago. You can't really believe that his performance at Footlocker is an indication of his ability to outkick Lomong. Abdirizak Muhammed (sp?) never dominated NCAAs, and I believe he had two impressive Footlocker victories.
mentallity > physicallity
'nuff posted.
seriously....4 YEARS AGO in high school, in a race that didnt have Lomong in it....well just have to wait and see, but...
thats true wrote:
seriously....4 YEARS AGO in high school, in a race that didnt have Lomong in it....well just have to wait and see, but...
Any more comments from the peanut gallery?
1 Matthew Withrow (12) Midwest Tinley Park IL 14:55
2 Galen Rupp (12) West Portland OR 14:57
3 Shadrack Kiptoo (12) West Albuquerque NM 14:58
4 Joshua McDougal (12) Northeast Peru NY 15:01
5 Benjamin True (12) Northeast North Yarmouth ME 15:02
6 Ryan Deak (12) Midwest Aurora CO 15:13
7 Christian Wagner (12) Midwest Columbus IN 15:14
8 Stuart Eagon (12) West Portland OR 15:19
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15 Evan Garber (12) West Spokane WA 15:31
16 James Strang (12) South Signal Mountain TN 15:31
17 Cory Thorne (11) Northeast Portsmouth NH 15:32
18 Ryan Gasper (11) Midwest Fort Atkinson WI 15:34
19 Nicholas Hutchins (12) South Raleigh NC 15:35
20 Lopez Lamong (12) Northeast Marietta NY 15:36
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22 Mark Matusak (11) West Torrance CA 15:41
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27 Justin Switzer (11) Midwest Waterford MI 15:59
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30 Brian Sullivan (12) South The Woodlands TX 16:24
31 Kyle Miller (12) South Katy TX 16:59
32 Gavin Coombs (12) Northeast Griswold CT
15 Evan Garber (12) West Spokane WA 15:31
16 James Strang (12) South Signal Mountain TN 15:31
17 Cory Thorne (11) Northeast Portsmouth NH 15:32
18 Ryan Gasper (11) Midwest Fort Atkinson WI 15:34
19 Nicholas Hutchins (12) South Raleigh NC 15:35
20 Lopez Lamong (12) Northeast Marietta NY 15:36
but, bekele never tried to drain the kick out of El G's legs in the Olympic 5k, which the announcers commented on. He didn't really set a fast pace, he just tried to outsprint him, which he obviously was not going to do if they both had fresh legs (which they did).
He may be misinformed about Lomong being in the race but his point is valid, who gives a shit about a high school 5k race that happened a good amount of time ago. McDougal will win so it really doesn't matter.
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