Explain to me again, how Tyrone Willingham is a bad coach?

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Because he's black. I believe thats what Notre Dame said.

He wasn't a bad coach. The money grubbing institution of which he was a part of for a short period of time is whack.

The reason he was fired from ND was because he went 5-7 (getting shutout twice in one season - the first time ever that happened) and then followed it up with a 6-5 mark and lose by 30 or more 5 times in 3 seasons. With that, and this is big people, he couldn't recruit after his first year there (the season before he left Notre Dame was considered the worst recruiting class in 50 years there - literally). That's a big reason why Notre Dame is in this mess, their current group of upper classmen are Tyrone's (I'm not saying that's the only reason, obviously they have a huge amount of problems). Obviously, then they followed up that terrible class with the one where Weis came in literally weeks before the signing period and again couldn't get much (nobody could in that position).

Weis' two recruiting classes have been top 10, but they are all freshman and sophomores. Add to that this years class which is currently ranked number 1 in the country.

So why did Willingham get fired? Well besides the fact that he posted two terrible records, the bigger problem that isn't talked about because people are completely ignorant is HE FAILED TO RECRUIT. It's one thing to lose with other people's athletes (you have to give coaches a chance with their athletes), it's another to also not bring in anyone.

Yes, Notre Dame is terrible this year, no doubt. They'll probably be terrible next year, also. However, once these classes mature, Notre Dame will be a threat for the national title, no matter who is coaching them.

Someone will probably say, well, why isn't Weis getting fired? The problem is, he signed a contract with a giant buy out. This happened because unlike Willingham who only had some connection with the NFL, but was considered mostly a college guy, Weis was a risk to go back to the NFL. To make sure there wasn't more turnover at ND - halting progress, ND made sure he wasn't going anywhere. Unfortunately, this may have been a mistake as they're absurdly bad. Though for Notre Dame fans, least he can recruit.

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Also, this is Notre Dame coach's records:

http://www.uhnd.com/history/all-time-notre-dame-coaching-records/

Willingham is tied for the 3rd worst winning % in Notre Dame history since 1906.

Bob Davie, who was the coach before Willingham, got 5 years as head coach. You're probably wondering why he got 5 years and Willingham only got 3. Well, lets look at a season by season break down of Bob Davie.

1997) He started off 7-6 in 1997, not good.

1998) He followed that up with a 9-3 season. Their starting QB, Tavaris Jackson got a knee injury at the end of the season and they lost the last two games. Still though, not bad at all.

1999) He followed that up with a 5-7 season, which is terrible. However, he was coming off a solid season the year before. Thus, he's not fired after 3 seasons.

2000) Notre Dame is again 9-3. Unlike Willingham, he didn't follow up a bad season with another. Thus, still justifiably Notre Dame's head coach.

2001) Starts off 0-3 for the first time in Notre Dame history (till this year) and proceeds to finish 5-7. He's fired.

So, while he compiled the same average at best (and terrible for Notre Dame) win %. Davie was at Notre Dame longer because he at least didn't also have two bad seasons in a row.

Are we still unsure why Tyrone was fired?

Interesting read

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3013932&sportCat=ncf

My favorite fact: "Of the 856 points Notre Dame has scored with Weis as head coach, 19 of them have been scored by players who originally committed to and signed with him. "

Of course, many of Weis's recruits are young and perhaps they will be great when they mature. (Although, wasn't that true of Willingham's recruits?) Or maybe, Weiss is recruiting a lot of overhyped players (Clausen?).

Look, I'm not going to say Notre Dame is racist or say that Willingham did a great job in South Bend, but the fact is that the attitude of the ND fans towards Weis has been totally different from day one. If you don't see that, you are in serious denial.

If you knew ANYTHING about college football recruiting, you'd know a coach needs at least 4 years to be judged on his recruting performances. You'd also know classes are judged when they leave schools, not when they arrive.

Weis was good with Quinn, Samardjza (sp) and Zibikowski: all Willingham recruits. ND's defense has sucked for years and will suck for years to come. Clausen is not half the QB Quinn was, and there are no top-tier RB's or recievers on the roster.

Willingham got a raw deal. Weis, like his buddy Romeo Crennel, is way overrated and will be a failure. If he were a great recruiter, there'd be some sophomores who could score more than two TD's in 4 games. And one of those touches was from a Willingham recruit. But since he is white he'll get 5 years instead of 3 despite being humilitated, repeat HUMILIATED, over the last 6 games..

Golden Dumb wrote:

Look, I'm not going to say Notre Dame is racist or say that Willingham did a great job in South Bend, but the fact is that the attitude of the ND fans towards Weis has been totally different from day one. If you don't see that, you are in serious denial.

I agree. I wasn't happy when Willingham was fired by any stretch. I think pretty much all coaches should get 5 years. That's enough time for a coach to have a full cycle of their own recruits. Unfortunately, Notre Dame felt they shouldn't wait that long and jumped the gun. It had been a while since Notre Dame was relevant and they wanted to speed the process along by getting what they hoped would be a savior. Then they jumped the gun again by giving Weis the extension. Next year will unfortunately be the same thing as this for Notre Dame. Hopefully in Weis' fifth year they'll get back over the hump. If not, he should be gone - even with the 30 million buy out.

Also, you can't blame Clausen for this (though I dislike the kid and his whole family a lot). The kid is on his back every two seconds and his nonexistent running game isn't helping, either.

All in all a lot of arrogance has hurt Notre Dame. Remember, Willingham was picked only after the George O'Leary debacle. Notre Dame was in damage control and went with a "safe" pick. He had success, if moderate, at another academically challenging school and he was a quality guy. But yeah, he was never the choice they actually wanted. That could clearly play a role in his early firing. While I disagree with Willingham being fired, I can't say there weren't reasons and I think people jump on the situation because it's Notre Dame, not because they have actually looked at all the evidence.

This is the first time in SCHOOL HISTORY they have been 0-4. Congrats to Mr. Weiss and the consistently underrated fighting Irish.

Although, it's not his fault they've lost the last nine bowl games they've been to.

Ty is a bad coach because he didn't realize he was taking a demotion by going to Noter Daim. The rest of the country knows 0-4 jesus hasn't been relevant to championship football in years.

If Ty ever wants to leave Washington, he should keep his choices to the great teams of college football like USC, LSU, Ohio State, Texas and Florida/Miami/Florida St.

The Big Genius is making Gerry Faust look like a hall of fame coach.

It does not take a good college coach 4 years to turn things around...Urban Meyer did in two. Charlie Weis is not a good coach.

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If you knew ANYTHING about college football recruiting, you'd know a coach needs at least 4 years to be judged on his recruting performances. You'd also know classes are judged when they leave schools, not when they arrive.

Weis was good with Quinn, Samardjza (sp) and Zibikowski: all Willingham recruits. ND's defense has sucked for years and will suck for years to come. Clausen is not half the QB Quinn was, and there are no top-tier RB's or recievers on the roster.

Willingham got a raw deal. Weis, like his buddy Romeo Crennel, is way overrated and will be a failure. If he were a great recruiter, there'd be some sophomores who could score more than two TD's in 4 games. And one of those touches was from a Willingham recruit. But since he is white he'll get 5 years instead of 3 despite being humilitated, repeat HUMILIATED, over the last 6 games..

Believe it or not I was talking on im and slowly writing my last post, but yeah we agree on how long a coach should be there. Thanks. As far as when classes are judged, maybe you should tell rivals/espn.com/SI/everyone else to stop rating/talking about them going in. And again, he'll get 5 years because of his GIANT BUY OUT. Notre Dame is stuck with him whether they want him or not. No school, not even Notre Dame can let 30 million walk.

As far as not having any top tier rb's or recievers on the roster: (ranked in the nation out of high school)

James Aldridge #5 RB 2006

Luke Schmidt #1 FB 2006

Richard Jackson #18 WR 2006

Munir Prince #56 RB 2006

Barry Gallup #82 WR 2006

Golden Tate #2 WR 2007

Duval Kamara #9 WR 2007

Mike Ragone #2 TE 2007

Robert Hughes #17 RB 2007

Armando Allen #25 RB 2007

Stephen Paskorz #54RB 2007

While they aren't successful in college yet because they're freshman and sophomores (mostly redshirt freshman), they have the talent on the team. However, that talent is young. "................" you disagree with Notre Dame not giving Willingham time, yet you aren't giving Weis the same time. Hold your complaints till next season (his fourth).

Galveston wrote:

It does not take a good college coach 4 years to turn things around...Urban Meyer did in two. Charlie Weis is not a good coach.

Urban Meyer did it with Zook's recruits. Zook may not be a good coach, but he's a hell of a recruiter. Case in point, Illinois had a top 20 recruiting classesthis year with a 2-10 record. All Meyer had to do to win that title was not be an idiot like Zook. As of right now Meyer is also recruiting well, it'll be interesting to see how Florida is in two years.

I would have to go with Jim Tressel as the best coach in the country along with Pete Carroll. Regardless of talent, Tressel just keeps winning.

Won national title in 2nd year.

Golden Dumb wrote:

Look, I'm not going to say Notre Dame is racist or say that Willingham did a great job in South Bend, but the fact is that the attitude of the ND fans towards Weis has been totally different from day one. If you don't see that, you are in serious denial.

You think ND fans are re favorable towards Weis right now than they were towards Willingham? Well someone is in denial allright. You.

ND plays mainly the Little 10 teams. If you can't beat the Little 10 then you should be fired. Willingham got canned. Weiss will be canned any day now. Just as soon as the ND priest finishes sex with the football players today, the Lords day. Look at what Florida did to Ohio State in the BCS Joke Bowl. The BCS game should have been Boise State and USC, but they are western teams, not favored by the eastern press.

Finally, I love that even when Notre Dame is 0-4 people that hate them talk about them! Give Notre Dame more publicity. Make sure they're in the news everyday. I want 100 more threads just on Notre Dame! Works for me, I don't have to go to obscure college football message boards to get my Notre Dame news. Any other school has a down year and nobody cares, but Notre Dame can lose every game and they're still the most important team in America because of you guys.

Personally, I've never gone on a message board and bashed other schools and I never will, but if you guys need this to feel better about yourselves, knock it out. However, if you really wanted to hurt Notre Dame fans, stop talking about them. It's not hatred that hurts, we're used to that, it's being irrelevant. Right now Notre Dame is the biggest story in college football and while it may not be for the best reason, we're still relevant! Thanks guys, keep it up!

You suck as a human being if you can see anything positive with your joke team ND. We hate the BCS, and the two guaranteed teams that the BCS was designed for, USC and ND. All the other schools have to play football each year to get to the bowls. The TV networks have a permenent spot for ND and USC. You suck.