Vick not guilty of any crime

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I was unaware that Vick et al ate the dogs after they died. If that's the case, then I agree, it's just like bullfighting and the others you mentioned.

I am not rascist, BUT!!!!!

Dubious wrote:

Dog fighting is a time-honored, integral part of african american culture going way back.

Really? I lived in an on campus appartment complex that was probably 40-50% black for two years. I'm surprised I couldn't hear the dog fights that apparently occured regularly, as they were an integral part of the culture of my fellow students. I never even saw a dog in the area. Guess I'm just not very perceptive.

troll anyone? wrote:

I was unaware that Vick et al ate the dogs after they died. If that's the case, then I agree, it's just like bullfighting and the others you mentioned.

Pfft. No one eats the dead animals from a cock fight or a fox hunt. All these are contests in which an animal is killed in a slow and tortured way. For some reason only the african american past time of dog fighting is reviled. Why might that be?

Dubious wrote:There is no difference between these things, only the fact that white america has deemed dog fighting to be unsavory -- making illegal an african american pasttime, while looking the other way at unsavory white habits.

Whitees made bigamy illegal, even though it was the integral part of the culture of one of our current presidential candidates.

Good try though. If they outlaw fried chicken give me a call.

Dubious wrote:

troll anyone? wrote:

I was unaware that Vick et al ate the dogs after they died. If that's the case, then I agree, it's just like bullfighting and the others you mentioned.

Pfft. No one eats the dead animals from a cock fight or a fox hunt. All these are contests in which an animal is killed in a slow and tortured way. For some reason only the african american past time of dog fighting is reviled. Why might that be?

Last I checked, all of the aforementioned activities are illegal (with the exception of hunting during its season). So far as I can tell, there IS a difference between hunting wild game and fighting/torturing/drowning/electrocuting domestic dogs.

It's kind of like the old tradition of lynching.

Can you believe they made that illegal?

Keith Stone wrote:

Good try though. If they outlaw fried chicken give me a call.

They did that years ago. Why do you think Kentucky Fried Chicken changed their name to KFC?

If torturing and killing dogs is an integral and time honored tradition of a culture, then it is upon us to examine the merits of that culture, not ourselves. I don't feel bad saying what he did was wrong, and it was wrong. There is no relativism here- you can't just go around saying things are ok because it is tradition. Genital mutilation is a tradition in some parts of the world, going back centirues- is that acceptable too, just because it is an integral part of a culture? No, and bullshit bullshit bullshit if yout think it is.

Don't forget folks we are talking about a culture that turns it's own neighborhoods into slums.

Even dogs don't shit where they sleep.

Dubious wrote:

This won't be popular, but I don't believe Michael Vick has done anything wrong by fighting dogs. Dog fighting is a time-honored, integral part of african american culture going way back.

Some "time-honored, integral" practices are JUST PLAIN EVIL!! This is one of them.

Vick is quite clearly guilty of a crime. The law says that dogfighting is illegal and he broke that law, thus guilty of that crime (assuming all information I've seen is correct anyway). Whether or not he was morally wrong in fighting dogs is a different question and certainly up for debate. I personally believe that he did no wrong with his dog fighting. However right and wrong rarely have anything to do with the law.

OK, even if you don't object to dogfighting per se, which is hard to understand, how can you justify some of the specific allegations. For example, dogs that didn't make the grade were killed by various methods by Vick (allegedly) including dousing the dog with water and electrocuting him and slamming another dog onto the ground until he died. I really do not see how anyone can not view that as cruel. He could have at least shot the dogs. Hunters don't wound deer, then electrocute them just for the hell of it. Jeffrey Dahmer tortured animals as a child and people (in hindsight at least) recognize that as a sign of his psychosis, but Michael Vick plays football, so I guess it's OK.

I admit, I'm biased. I used to volunteer at an animal shelter in an area of the south where dog-fighting is common. I just think that if you saw some of the mauled animals that I saw, you would say that it is wrong.

You're not biased -- you're educated. People who don't think this is wrong are ignorant.

Its a time honored tradition for some Canadian Native Peoples inside the arctic circle to kill their young children if they aren't strong enough. Does that make it right?

Dubious wrote:

african americans have always fought dogs.

Well, if that's true, then Barack Obama isn't getting my vote! (And he seemed like such a nice man . . . .)

Dubious wrote:

This won't be popular, but I don't believe Michael Vick has done anything wrong by fighting dogs. Dog fighting is a time-honored, integral part of african american culture going way back. In much the same way that Spaniards relish a good bullfight, african americans have always fought dogs. Mexicans fight cocks. The british ran down foxes with hounds. Rednecks hunt deer and other animals. There is no difference between these things, only the fact that white america has deemed dog fighting to be unsavory -- making illegal an african american pasttime, while looking the other way at unsavory white habits.

I hope you wrote this to get a rise out of people!!

African American Culture since when? It became a iner city way to make money. In the White Culture we had slaves, do you think it would be ok for me to go out and take a alittle black kid and make him a slave. I could even beat it to death if I wanted to it's my black kid I can do what I want to it.

Man everybody knows that would be a TERRIBLE business decision. Never, ever beat your slaves to death.