Does anyone have the listing for how Jim Peters' trained in 1951-3? A friend tells me he is pretty certain that Peters broke 2:20 on something like 50MPW and I am curious to know.
Thanks.
Does anyone have the listing for how Jim Peters' trained in 1951-3? A friend tells me he is pretty certain that Peters broke 2:20 on something like 50MPW and I am curious to know.
Thanks.
its in noakes, he trainined more than 50mpw i remember all at 310-330min/km pace. Not very many runs longer than like 10 miles.
That's why he always seemed to collapse near the end of marathons.(nothing longer than 10 miles) Roger Bannister stayed on after the 1954 Commonwealth games marathon to help "nurse" him back to health in the hospital after his dramatic collapse. I think longer training runs for marathon prep were in favor in the early sixties with Buddy Edelen, Ron Hill and Basil Heatley leading the way. With the advent of longer runs came dramatic drops in times. Off course Lydiard started having an impact when Murray Halberg won in Rome and drew attention to the conditioning "marathon" system of Lydiard. Lydiards book "run to the top" I think was landmark ofr distance runners.
that is rubbish. Jim was one of the first to do regular 100 mile weeks, although he did run 2:20 on 80 mile weeks. Used to run a hard 10 miles on the roads most days, anywhere from 5:20-5:50 pace
I think the heat had more to do with at least one of those collapses.
Bob Wildes wrote:
I think the heat had more to do with at least one of those collapses.
Plus the fact that no drinks were allowed during the races back then.
and the race directors were watching the mile so they didnt' tell peters he had a giganitic lead and he could slow down
Other than Vancouver when did he collapse? If you read accounts of the race you'll see that he went out extremely fast on avery hot day. I think that had more to do with his collapse than a lack of long runs, and he did get up to 16 miles or so, which isn't exactly short.
He also didn't do any interval training or what we would call "speedwork". Just hard runs every day as close to marathon pace as possible. His goal, according to the Noakes book which I'm guessing referenced a book on Jim, was to run at 3:08 per kilo, which he rarely did. Usually hit 3:10-3:30 avg for his runs...that's smoking. You gotta know to average that fast you'll have to be finishing quite a bit faster. That's nuts. He never really ran any long runs though. Brought the record down from 2:25 to 2;17.
Alan
Phil. wrote:Plus the fact that no drinks were allowed during the races back then.
That's nuts!! Makes you wonder how all those old marathons ran so good, amazing!!
Bob Wildes wrote:
I think the heat had more to do with at least one of those collapses.
Bob, I believe Jim Peters had horrid pace judgement combined with a complete disrespect for the distance. He had some fast marathon times, but would blast out to big leads in championship races before succumbing toward the end.
If that's true then he was good for 2:14.
Peters' marathons
1951
June 16 Polytechnic 2.29.24 1st
July 28 AAA 2.31.42 1st
1952
June 14 AAA 2.20.42 1st
Olympics DNF
1953
June 13 Polytechnic 2.18.40 1st
September 12 Dutch 2.19.22 1st
October 4 Turku, Finland 2.18.34 1st
1954
April 19 Boston 2.22.40 2nd
June 26 AAA 2.17.39 1st
August 7 Empire Games DNF (reached stadium in 2.20)
Bump this. I'd be curious to see Noakes' reference to Peters if someone can post it, or a link please?
Short, fast and furious. Guy must've had the guts of a
Steve Jones.