Immigration, AMAZING reaction.

Honestly I would love to see all the illegals in the US deported and sent back to Mexico.

Then I would enjoy the meteoric collapse of the Californian economy, followed slowly by the rest of America.

You people are f***ing dense. We need them.

Not really.

NoReallyIm16 wrote:

Honestly I would love to see all the illegals in the US deported and sent back to Mexico.

Then I would enjoy the meteoric collapse of the Californian economy, followed slowly by the rest of America.

which, if this fantasy were true would be followed rapidly by the rest of the world.

you guys think you got problems, we have the same problems in ENGLAND,but more so.You might have a Mexican issue,but we have the rest of the world trying to get in,and a stupid Goverment thats so week it does nothing to stop it. Seems we have to give in to the "do gooders", if anyone complains there called "RACIST".

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To the guy () with hospital issue,

Did you ask them for their visa to make sure they weren't legal? Or are you just assuming?

Hmm, lets see, I think my tipoff was the fact that I watched them go to multiple people over the 2 hours we waited and watched the admissions process. In the majority of cases they had no insurance, and no ID. My favorite was the one that said in broken english her sister was "visiting" please don't let her baby suffer.

You were right about my assumption on the 2 gunshot victims that were brought in though, I'm sure they were fine legalized and hardworking.

I'm aware of what the hospital's priority should be. And since you weren't there that night, you can take YOUR assumptions and go f*** yourself.

Look you have a serious attitude problem that needs some attention.

Rarely do I carry ID with me when I'm rushed to the hospital. Gun shot wounds can happen to anybody, legal or not.

When I was taken to the hospital people asked for my ID I didn't have it, big deal. And like I said before let's say they are illegal, if they weren't there someone else would be. It isn't THEM that stopped your mother from getting in it was the HOSPITALS incompetence.

And again I'm sorry to hear that this happened to your mother, but you really should be blaming the hospital. Regardless of what someone was yelling in spanish, english, or chinese, hospitals need to attend to the more important patients first.

Totally correct. We whites will soon be a minority.

We already are in England

I'll chip in, but this might get long, so feel free to skip over my post if you like:

I agree, 5k isn't asking much. Remember though, the idea of a guest-worker program is anything but new. In fact, you could blame our current immigration situation partly on this last little excursion into the guest worker realm.

Beginning in 1942, the U.S. and Mexico initiated a temporary worker program to answer a need for labor in the agriculture. The program allowed for 400,000 labor workers to annually enter the nation, legally, on a seasonal basis. For a good 20 years, the U.S. created and sustained a job market for Mexican men, who became accustomed to entering the U.S., then coming right back over the border to be with their families on a seasonal basis.

Even with the guest worker program in place, many of the men that came over the border broke their contracts and became illegal immmigrants. Why? The contracts, were in many cases, broken by supervisors who stole money from the men, or would decrease the amount of money offered the migrant worker who was now legally obligated to work the farm he had committed to. Moreover, the living conditions on many farms were calcutta-style, horrendous, and came under fire from the public eye during the 60's. Basic sanitary needs were unmet, and it is not an exaggeration to call the whole process dehumanizing. For this reason, many men left these farms, and sought out farms that offered more humane working conditions and better pay. In fact, this became the preferred way to come over the border,with a 3:1 ratio of illegals to legals, and the U.S. turned a blind eye to it until the mid 50's, when they launched "Operation Wetback", which led to mass deportations of illegals. Not that this, of course, stopped any of the men from coming right back over the next picking season.

It wasn't until...lemme see...1961 (+- a year) that the Bracero program really began to slow down the flow of Mexican workers into the states, from 400,000 legal a year, to 170,000 a year. At this point, the U.S. basically made it known that those workers who had honored their Bracero farm contracts, would get the opportunity to stay in the nation, and in 65 the process of allowing the worker's families in the U.S. to join them began. Those workers who had breached their contracts, even if they were unfairly treated while initially trying to honor them, did not have the "equity" necessary to stay in this country. However, when forced to choose between returning to Mexico where there was no job for them (thereby reducing their families to poverty), and working illegally in the U.S., where the immigration "enforcement" had historically been little more than toothless policy, they by and large chose to stay in the U.S. Ironically, the end of the Bracero program forced immigrants to choose a permanent future, of either staying in the U.S. or staying in Mexico. Seasonal work was no longer an option. No surprise then, that the number of illegal immigrants officially rose something like 400% within the next year.

So, it is not as simple as "this is my side of the border, that's yours, stay on it". After all, the U.S. CREATED a job market specifically for an entire generation of Mexican workers, then stopped it suddenly in policy, while failing to adequately enforce the policy along the border. If the U.S. wants to force a hard change in immigration reality, it needs to dismantle the job market that it has created by going after those who hire illegal immigrants. This would be far more effective than putting in billions of taxpaying dollars into beefing up our physical enforcement of the border which we currently control a very small percentage of. Stop the jobs, stop the impetus for those who come into the U.S. illegally for those jobs. As long as the U.S. is unwillingly to harshly enforce it's immigration laws, they will be broken, that's a fact.

It seems wrong, very wrong to me, to foster a generation of workers from Mexico, allow it to continue by not enforcing our immigration policy over the last 40 years, then suggest totally closing our borders, completely disrupting the very fluid border process that has been extant for as long as anyone on these boards has been around. Furthermore, if we are to call the illegal immigrants who build our houses and lay our streets along the border "criminals", we should also call the small business owners, construction supervisors, and landscapers who hire them, "criminals" as well. Honestly, if you buy or hire services from these criminals, you too, are contributing to the illegal border economy.

At the same time, a nation has to have borders, otherwise it has no real control, no ability to protect it's citizens' well-being. Open Borders are clearly not the answer to this immigration question, and those activists who advocate no penalty for illegally entering this nation, are totally unrealistic. 5k? seems more than fair to me.

First there are way more then 12 million illegal immigrants in this country, more like 25-30 million. More then 60 percent are high school drop outs and so place a high demand on social services, approximately $19,000 per individual. The average American owes about $4000 per year in taxes (if the government was not spending more then borrowing) just to pay for the costs of illegal immigration. I guess the question to amnesty supporters is this: is $4000 per year okay with you? And, since this will open up the flood gates, will $8000 or $10,000 per year in additional taxes be okay with you? How many is too many? Personally, I prefer to take care of our own first.

Notakicker wrote:

First there are way more then 12 million illegal immigrants in this country, more like 25-30 million. More then 60 percent are high school drop outs and so place a high demand on social services, approximately $19,000 per individual. The average American owes about $4000 per year in taxes (if the government was not spending more then borrowing) just to pay for the costs of illegal immigration. I guess the question to amnesty supporters is this: is $4000 per year okay with you? And, since this will open up the flood gates, will $8000 or $10,000 per year in additional taxes be okay with you? How many is too many? Personally, I prefer to take care of our own first.

Our own? What makes people our own? Are you talking about your family? Or people born in the US? What differentiates two human beings? Race? Ethnicity? Country of origin?

Seriously...our own???

Taxpaying American Citizens First!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Criminals (illegal) Last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if we forget about legal or illegal, and talk about immigrants for one moment, unless your a "RED INDIAN" then your all from an immigration background.

Let's be serious now. The technology exists to solve the illegal immigration problem. The government should 1st screen for skin color and Afro/Asiatic features. Those that appear not pure should be kicked out. Any Arabs, Africans, Asia/Pacific Islanders, Eastern Europeans, Russians, Hungarians, Moroccans, Indians, etc. should be barred from the United States. Those that "appear" white (for example those who look like Cameron Diaz, Michael Bloomberg, Jorge Torres, Edwardo Torres, Nomar Garcia-Parra, Jerry Seinfeld, Joe Montana, Wolf Blitzer, Dathan Ritzenheim, Joe Lieberman, Lauren Fleshman, etc.) should supply a DNA sample, and the genetic map inspected for non-white Mud-race genes. That should cut down on the number of illegal aliens and help in the War Against Terrorism.

Roccer wrote:

I would assume that any citizen, who took all the steps necessary to become a citizen legally, would be able to speak a little english. We need to stop catering to every group that we feel bad for. Look, we let the Irish in, we let the Germans in, we let the Chinese in- they learned how to speak out language, they became a part of our culture. The current immigrant population in many areas has made no attempts to fit in because everybody is so scared of offending someone or getting tagged for discrimination that we cater to their needs instead of them conforming to ours.

American is supposed to be a melting pot, but apparently our fire has gone out, because these guys aren't mixing in. They're here alright, but for the greater part, they aren't part of us.

1) If you study linguistics at all, you know that immigrant languages are almost always lost by the third generation. They had a study a year or two ago (don't have the link, sorry) that showed that even in high density hispanic neighborhoods (I think it looked at LA, Miami and New York) third generation Americans had generally poor (if any) proficiency in their grandparents' native language, so don't worry about that. Really, the parents should take an interest in ensuring Spanish proficiency in their kids and grandkids.

2)They are mixing but it's a whole different ball of wax with the race barrier. People tend to date within their race, white people, too.

Notakicker wrote:

Taxpaying American Citizens First!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Criminals (illegal) Last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait so they have to be american citizens?

So legal immigrants that pay taxes and support the economy of this country as much as you do should not get the same treatment as american citizens?

Wow, didn't know this kind of racism was still around.

Oh, and add Chelsea Clinton to that list. She doesn't look "pure" white to me.

Hot Pacific Islander females should go to the head of the line, especially if they can hula with gusto.

Yummy.

Gotta take SOME skills into consideration guys.

Roccer wrote:

I would assume that any citizen, who took all the steps necessary to become a citizen legally, would be able to speak a little english. We need to stop catering to every group that we feel bad for. Look, we let the Irish in, we let the Germans in, we let the Chinese in- they learned how to speak out language, they became a part of our culture. The current immigrant population in many areas has made no attempts to fit in because everybody is so scared of offending someone or getting tagged for discrimination that we cater to their needs instead of them conforming to ours.

American is supposed to be a melting pot, but apparently our fire has gone out, because these guys aren't mixing in. They're here alright, but for the greater part, they aren't part of us.

As I was driving through town a couple of weeks ago, I happened upon a "rights" march by our illegal friends. I was prepared to look the other way, till I noticed the MEXICAN flag being flown on cars and carried proudly. And yes, I live in the states.

I drove by my former school the other day and here was a large MEXICAN flag , placed atop a very tall tree and visible for blocks.

The battle's over, folks, and the white guys lost.