Is it possible that Hicham Blood doped?

ghost wrote:

Remember Cierpinski. He is now coaching his son, who recently ran 2:21 in Vienna...Cierpinski is a very healthy senior citizen, aged about 60. Shorter and everyone claimed that he doped, but if that were true, he would not be around today, as vigorous and healthy as he is.

Whoa, and now I need to make a post on the opposite side of the argument. In Cierpinski's case, unlike the other athletes mentioned in the thread, there is clear evidence that he doped. Not simply the circumstantial evidence of being developed by a sports system that incorporated nearly universal doping for its athletes, but direct, individual evidence. His name appears in the declassified STASI files on the East German doping program, along with a code number that can be linked to details of the specific drugs and doses he was given.

Saying that Cierpinksi's current health proves that he didn't dope is as specious as saying that El G's fast times prove that he did dope.

people have been beating sub3:50 for over two decades. in fact there are 116 performances under 3:50!

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_mileok.htm

i'd really be surprised if ElG were doped, at least using his fast time as a guide. If you saw Coe's or Cram's race in the 80s where they ran 3:46's without even pacing, and twenty years ago no less, 3:43 does not seem like a big stretch at all. and when you look at how Jim Ryun ran his 3:51 world record neg splitting by himself on a crap track, it really puts thing in perspective. the only thing that makes me wonder is why the mile world record isn't lower at this point actually.

Saying that someone doped because they were the greatest around is totally invalid. So what happens if El G was a doper? Was Noah Ngeny juiced too? Well, after him the next fastest clean performance must be doped too because no one else has ever done it without dope.... and on and on. There are lots of people who struggle to break 14 or 15 minutes in the 5k... does that mean everyone sub 14 or sub 15 is doped?

I agree that the top stars may race, train, and recover so well because of doping, but they probably just do it so well because they *are* the top world class guys -- their bodies are inherently suited for this. They are the x number out of 7 billion whose bodies and minds allow them to train the way they do and race extremely well. The finest running specimens of the human race.

So maybe doping is rampant among the elite. Wouldn't really make me blink, even if I would be a little saddened. But just because these guys run times that very few others can achieve doesn't prove or even suggest that they are doping. All it proves is that they are the best.

This is not to do with him being a blood doper but this must be the best ever picture of EL G!

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/gallery/album11/WCd90671

hehateme wrote:

Now some of you all may think im trolling, but look at this guy. 3:43 .. I don't know if anyone has ever brought it up on here,

Come on man! You must be trolling. An elite athlete not accused of blood doping? On LetsRun.com?

LOL!

Why wouldn´t they cover up Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Dennis Mitchell? They were all much more valuable to race organizer than a lot of african distance runners, all of which are almost unknown to a wider public.

It would be a lot more financially beneficial for the organizers if the top distance runners were white europeans and americans.

Some elites dope, some don't. Some officials cover up, some don't. Some "fans" care, some don't.

Science just has not figured out how to blood dope or create any substances to help humans perform better. We are trying and may get there eventually, but alas, we have failed miserably so far.

Seriously, great thread. Riveting!

If El G doped, then we should probably assume that Jim Ryun was too. He was running close to 3:50 more than 3 decades ago on shitty tracks, front running. And you think there aren't a few guys in Africa that can't run a few seconds faster with rabbits, faster tracks, and training advancements more than 30 years later??

I'm not saying El G didn't dope. Maybe he did. But there's no evidence that he did and I, for one, have hope that 3:43 is humanly possible without drugs.

When you put it like that I can clearly see the light and admit that I am wrong. I just need wit and cogent argument to make it all sink in. I don't think idiot alone would have gotten through. Likely jackass alone would not have done the trick; but, combine the two and the genius of your argument illuminates with the clarity needed for a transformation.

Hicham Blood? Is that Nicole Blood's true father???

I train as hard as I possibly can and therefore anyone who is faster than me must be doping.

You obviously don´t know how out of competition tests work. A friend of mine won the 2002 European marathon champs. It means that he´s on the IAAF "A-list" and HAS to let them know where he is 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. They can show up and test him ANYTIME and he can´t deny testing because that would be the same as admit drug use.

Yes, have to agree with you on this. And the total accessibility rule has been in effect for many years.

Case in point, Gea Johnson (ASU) heptathlete 2 or 4 year ban for avoiding out of season test.

Difference between El G and other Moroccans...how did some of them run so fast with such lousy running form. Also, the Spanish Oly 1500 champ from 1992 Barcelona....so tight and out of control.

Any inside info??????

I ran 4:15 in the mile and 3:56 in the 1500. Now I understand that el guerrouj was the best miler/1500 runner ever and is obviously way faster than me but I feel like our workouts/performances should be about the same ratio. Reality:

My 1500 pace (:63) best workouts,(9x400@62 with 1 minute rest)

His 1500 pace (:54.9) WO's,(10x400@53-54 with 30sec rest)

my easy runs: about 6:30 pace

His: 5:00 pace or faster..."El Guerrouj can run one day between 3:00-3:10/km pace and sometimes at 2:50/km"

When you look at his "aerobic runs" (which I'll assume is synonymous with "easy run") they are 1 full minute faster than mine. So this would be like me running 10x400@61-62 with 30 seconds rest. I might be able to do 6 at the very most, certainly not 10. If I were able to do 10, I should be able to run sub 3:50. And then running easy runs at 5:30 pace, which I would consider a workout. This would essentially mean I would do a workout everyday...Wait! Athletes who blood dope can do a workout everyday!

http://run-down.com/guests/mv_el_guerrouj.php

HAHAHA El G is the most obvious doper not to be caught, along the lines of Lance Armstrong. Ghost is a lying scumbag automatically, for defending the cheating scum El G.

There are people who accuse Hicham El Guerrouj of doping.

There are people who accuse Waldemar Cierpinski of doping.

There are people who accuse Galen Rupp of doping.

There are people who accuse Bernard Lagat of doping.

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The first three of them never tested positive.

it would be a suprise if he wasn't on a program...but there's no proof

he was moroccan and ...... THERE WAS NO TEST FOR EPO OR GROWTH HORMONE

and most of his compatriots were dopers and he just happened to be the best

he most assuredly did dope using everything under the known sun.

how many Moroccans have to get busted to realize they like to run a state-assisted doping program for their athletes.

no way in hell el g was clean. i'm sorry. guy was more dope than kendrick lamar.

Waldemar Cierpinski..

there's evidence on him doping from the regime days