CALL OUT ON HUGE BS SEED TIMES AT ARKANSAS

Goldsack, you are such a nutsac.

It must have been a typo. 14:00 would be accurate for those guys.

Larubi has run 3:46 and 4:04, so a 4:02 seed time is not 'huge BS'.

Tirop ran 14:15 and Rono is the NCAA champion at 1500 so 14:00 about right for them. Obviously it was a typo when they were entered @ 13:00

It still is lying really. Its not fair for instance that a guy with a 14:15 pr writes down 14:00. I got screwed by this in a big meet where guys lied and got in the fast heat and I was stuck in the slow heat of a 3k. Ended up I would have been 4th in the fast heat with the time I ran out of the slow heat because my coach would only write down my current pb.

hellooo Newman wrote:

Larubi has run 3:46 and 4:04, so a 4:02 seed time is not 'huge BS'.

Tirop ran 14:15 and Rono is the NCAA champion at 1500 so 14:00 about right for them. Obviously it was a typo when they were entered @ 13:00

someone wrote:

It still is lying really. Its not fair for instance that a guy with a 14:15 pr writes down 14:00. I got screwed by this in a big meet where guys lied and got in the fast heat and I was stuck in the slow heat of a 3k. Ended up I would have been 4th in the fast heat with the time I ran out of the slow heat because my coach would only write down my current pb.

hellooo Newman wrote:

Larubi has run 3:46 and 4:04, so a 4:02 seed time is not 'huge BS'.

Tirop ran 14:15 and Rono is the NCAA champion at 1500 so 14:00 about right for them. Obviously it was a typo when they were entered @ 13:00

Isn't that your coaches fault? Your coach knows the games that go on with seed times and chooses not to play them, thus screwing you over. He can put down whatever time he wants and he chooses to not take advantage of this (better meets will check seedtimes and more should, but it takes a lot to put on a meet already). Not to mention, a guy with a 14:15pr putting down 14:00 as a seed time isn't that absurd. They could be training well and their times in practice indicate a faster time than their pr.

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I probably have more grammar/spelling mistakes...I long for an edit button.

unless the meet specifies that seed times should be verifiable PBs, it is more than appropriate for a coach to enter someone at a time they legitimately think the athlete is capable of running.

chuck d wrote:

unless the meet specifies that seed times should be verifiable PBs, it is more than appropriate for a coach to enter someone at a time they legitimately think the athlete is capable of running.

Though I usually agree with your opinions, I have to disagree. I have seen out head coach consistently follow the seed time rules for meets like Stanford & Mt Sac over the years. A lot of our guys end up missing the fast evening heats even though they run faster than much of the fast heat field, and when I can go through the seed times and find many runners from other schools with seed times that they've never actually run, and don't run in that race.

When seeding, too many people are willing to assume that their runners will make a big jump on a specified day. Of course that does not happen, more often than not. It is much more fair snd honest to send in the fastest time the runner has actually produced, and hope that they will be that good or better on race day. If they do indeed have a breakthrough, then they can use their new PR as a seed for the next meet... no major loss.

the problem with that is the PB could be from a couple years ago or maybe the athlete has never even run the distance before. it's a tough balancing act and i think coach's get it wrong a little too much. but we also need to keep in mind that a lot of athletes who are entered at real PBs don't run those times either - and coaches often know they're not ready to run those times either. i've found the best thing to do is ask for legitimate PRs - but allow coaches to enter athletes at faster times if they can substantiate it. sure, this takes a little more effort and time on the part of the school holding the meet but it cuts down on some of the more scandalous inflations. further, if i see that particular coaches are simply not delivering on their predicted times, you stop allowing them to do it.