XC Jr. World Champ Banned For Wanting Children

Clomid is a drug 'roid users will take to support testosterone production when they go off-cycle (reportedly Bonds used it; we are assuming he wasn't trying to get pregnant). However, like most of these PEDs, Clomid has a legitimate therapeutic use -- enhance fertility.

Cheromei gave birth to a daughter in Feb 2006. This may be a case when the heavy hand of a regulatory agency came up with a positive, but a positive for a drug used therapeutically. Further, it appears reasonable that a distance runner would have difficulty becoming pregnant, considering the low fat those athletes carry.

the runner’s manager Jos Harmens.

No surprise here.

All she had to do was "declare" and provide a doctor's note / reference.

Some women can't get pregnant because they don't secrete enough LH and FSH at the right time during the cycle and, as a result, they don't ovulate. For these women, the first drug doctors often prescribe is clomiphene citrate (Clomid, Serophene). This synthetic drug stimulates the hypothalamus to release more GnRH, which then prompts the pituitary to release more LH and FSH, and thus increases the stimulation of the ovary to begin to produce a mature egg.

Clomiphene is a good first choice drug when a woman's ovaries are capable of functioning normally and when her hypothalamus and pituitary are also capable of producing their hormones. In short, the woman's reproductive engine is in working order, but needs some revving up.

Structurally like estrogen, clomiphene binds to the sites in the brain where estrogen normally attaches, called estrogen receptors. Once these receptor sites are filled up with clomiphene, they can't bind with natural estrogen circulating in the blood and they are fooled into thinking that the amount of estrogen in the blood is too low. In response, the hypothalamus releases more GnRH, causing the pituitary to pump out more FSH, which then causes a follicle to grow to produce more estrogen and start maturing an egg to prepare for ovulation. Typically, a woman taking clomiphene produces double or triple the amount of estrogen in that cycle compared to pretreatment cycles.

Clomid could be used to boost the amount of estrogen in a woman's system to bring the T/E (Testosterone / Epitestosterone) ratio in line to pass a drug test.

On LetsRoid.com there is lots of clomid info

http://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum1/03-2001/053729.html

Hermen's Hermets wrote:

[On LetsRoid.com there is lots of clomid info

http://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum1/03-2001/053729.html

She had a baby eight months after the positive test so she was PG at the time of the positive test (unknown if she knew she was PG at the time of the test). I suppose that was Hermanes magic too, he managed to get her PG a month before only to use it as an excuse for a doping regieme.

Do you also believe aliens secretly run the world from area 51?

The thread title is completely false, no one was banned for wanting to get pregnant.

All she had to do was >>>"declare"<<<, Jos knows this.

I do believe that drug use in T&F is rampant.

Apparently you believe that Kelli White had narcolepsy? And What's his name had ADD?

All they had to do was "declare".

Mtn Dew wrote:

The thread title is completely false, no one was banned for wanting to get pregnant.

Its completely true. She wanted children, took fertility drugs and was banned for it. This is the practical effect of what happened.

You want say she did not complete a TUE and keep it at an emotionless/technical level. Is that because the title evokes too many emotions against WADA?

Further you're applying western standards of medicine and law. She's from Kenya and we don't know what her ability is to understand doping rules and how many OB/Gyn's in Kenya know WADA doping rules as well.

Fact is WADA banned her the same as they ban intentional cheaters for failing to fill out a form. And in her case, the facts cannot be disputed as she gave birth 8 months later.

Aliens From Area51 wrote:

All she had to do was >>>"declare"<<<, Jos knows this.

I do believe that drug use in T&F is rampant.

Apparently you believe that Kelli White had narcolepsy? And What's his name had ADD?

All they had to do was "declare".

Don't know about Kelly White. "What's his name" I assume you mean Gatlin. The arbritators agreed he had ADD which is why his ban was reduced to 1 year. So it's not opinion, it's a proven fact of his case.

Why did she get a 1 year ban, or less? Maybe because she doesn't have $100,000 to hire Howard Jacobs?

Larger point, is it fair to ban people that fail to fill out forms (and have shown they were not doping and rec'd no benefit) the same as people that intentionally cheat?

See the LA times from today. It's in this thread.

Apparently a lot of people in sports think WADA is going too far. The only place in all of sports that think they are not is this message board.

Apparently a lot of people in sports think WADA is going too far.

Many businesses feel that the SEC goes to far, wonder why?

I don't think so. I think we have plenty of naive people on this board (like you) who want to believe the G-rated, Disney-produced, made-for-TV-version of reality instead of looking the dark underbelly of our beloved track and field in the face.

Is This Fair? wrote:

Apparently a lot of people in sports think WADA is going too far. The only place in all of sports that think they are not is this message board.

WADA isn't that popular here wrote:

Apparently a lot of people in sports think WADA is going too far. The only place in all of sports that think they are not is this message board.

Does that dark underbelly including womaen taking fertility drugs and having bablies? Because if it does not, and WADA keeps doing these idiotic things under the guise of "strict liability." They are going to make things worse in the long run.

Their will be a backlash and it going to go too far the otehr way and severely weaken WADA. Better recognize the system is broken now and fix it before the tide wave hits demanding the entire thing get torn down.

So true HH. But people are so brainwashed after 40 years of PC badgering, they are blind to malfeasance by most non-whites, especially 'poor' Africans. Hermens is dirty, most of his runners are dirty. Rosa is dirty, most of his runners are dirty. But no one likes to think the poor naive Africans would do anything wrong. They won't even take an aspirin. But they'll take 'roids, EPO, Repoxygen...

Have you ever been fast enough to be subject to NAN drug testing? I was for a few years. It IS a pain in the ass to keep all your paperwork in order: provide where you expect to train, work and sleep every day for the next three months at a time for example.

You have to stay on top of your shit.

But this is part of being an elite athlete. You also have to be proactive and do your research before you put ANYTHING into your body for ANY reason.

I don't think this is a case of the "felicitous inconsistancy" of some poor, 3rd world athlete not knowing any better.

Kenyans may be poor but they are generally well-educated, well-spoken (in English as well as a couple of other languages) and literate. She also has a high-powered agent who is extremely savvy to the ways of the sporting world.

For your premise to work she and Jos have to be far more stupid than I think they are.

At any rate. Every elite athlete IS supposed to fill out forms properly and to be professional about their personal housekeepeing. When I was competing There were many times when I scoffed that having to do this was bull-shit but I complied and was as transparent as possible. I submitted to the system on good faith that other elites wre doing the same througout the world.

I don't think people who do something "dumb" should be penalized to the same degree as a more overt cheater, but on some level, letting dumb moves slide gives clever cheaters the ability to "play stupid" when they get caught red-handed (i.e. "It was my tooth-paste.")

[quote]Is This Fair? wrote:

[Larger point, is it fair to ban people that fail to fill out forms (and have shown they were not doping and rec'd no benefit) the same as people that intentionally cheat?

I don't know. In the 90's the talk of the European circuit was that Geb had to take a shit-load of apsirin every day (to avoid the 10W-40SAE for blood effect...if you know what I mean).

Bed of Rosas wrote:

They won't even take an aspirin.

but I'm just sour grapes-ing wrote:

I don't know.

In the 90's the talk of the European circuit was that Geb had to take a shit-load of apsirin every day (to avoid the 10W-40SAE for blood effect...if you know what I mean).

This is true. Kenyans and Ethiopians have been popped for droves of aspirin in their rooms, among other more serious offenses. BUT, there is an official stance over the last two decades of sweeping it under the rug. The officials who rightfully bagged Lagat were actually chastitzed by their superiors, warned to not pursue anyone "like this". Europeans and Americans et al are fair game. It's strange, but not all that surprising when one looks at the larger picture of sports, and how so much of it has been, and continues to be manipulated in the West. It's used as a tool to condition the masses who might get out of line. The day they figure out how to drug third worlders in order to exceed certain Westerners in strength events, will be the day you see a comical change in some events that will defy rational explanation.

The E. Africans have a high percentage of talented people. But drugs and selective enforcement, coupled with a lack of participation by Europeans (for the most part) have led to the 'dominance' you see at the moment. It's artificial in some respects. If you think the Lagat story is not true on my part, then why was his manager told to shut up and stop claiming his runner was innocent, etc. Why was he told that certain things would come out of he insisted on blabbing?

Some of your 'gods' are nothing more than cheats, nothing more than good responders to a well thought out doping regimen. Why do you think Hermens, Rosa and so on keep having their names come up during investigations by people? Why do you think there's always an abrupt stop to investigations, and all of the usual suspects suddenly 'cleared'?

Is This Fair? wrote:

And in her case, the facts cannot be disputed as she gave birth 8 months later.

this could quite possibly be the worst argument i've ever heard-- i suppose there's no possible way for a woman to give birth to a child less than nine months before becoming pregnant...

logician. wrote:

this could quite possibly be the worst argument i've ever heard-- i suppose there's no possible way for a woman to give birth to a child less than nine months before becoming pregnant...

For those that think she is actually a cheater, do you realize how ignorant/spiteful/racist you look? I'm not talking about the country of Kenya (which has had exactly one EPO positive in history) or Hermans (how many banned athletes does he have?) I'm talking about this specific case.

Its embarassing that people that actually call themselves fans of distance ruinning beleive she was cheating.

Is This Fair? wrote:

Its completely true. She wanted children, took fertility drugs and was banned for it. This is the practical effect of what happened.

Wrong-O. She was NOT banned because she wanted to have a child. It's like saying someone was arrested and jailed for wanting more money when they robbed a bank.

If WADA keeps “busting non-dopers” that is, giving doping bans for failing to fill out a TUE, or accidentally getting contaminated, they run a risk of diluting the meaning of a doping ban. If they do this enough, pretty soon legitimate dopers will claim they were “railroaded” like the non-dopers and they will get sympathy from the public as the will have numerous examples of this happening.

Pretty soon getting a doping ban will be like a Duke student getting indicted in Durham for rape. The next one that does (if there is another) will get a presumption of innocence because of the case that came before him.

They need to eliminate these kind of bans so when someone gets a deserved two-year ban for cheating, their is no doubt as to their intention.

In my experience if the athlete was able to provide medical confirmation of the treatment then it would have been given favourable consideration. A letter from a coach or agent in support would not be sufficient.

I have been involved in a similar, but slightly different case that was, in my opinion, correctly resolved.