Houston--short course???

only secs better than Fasil's time from a few months ago

I hope to God it wasn't short. It'd be a shame for Ryan to not get his record just because they didn't measure the course right.

Dum fukker,

Here we have a historic performance on a certified course, and rather than enjoying it, you look for shooters on the grassy knoll. 55 and foggy, light wind, flat course. Shut up. Really.

How in the world would it be short? That would only imply that a person like a Meb, who holds the American 10k record at 27:17 (or something like that), just ran about 1:04 for the half, which is just obvious bs.

Ryan Hall's record kicks your ass.

Yeah, all these top US guys PR and Hall beats them by 3-5 minutes!!!!! Can't you understand just how big of an ass kicking that is? The times are very believable for everyone other than Hall, and if Hall beats believable times by 3-5 minutes, then he either cut the course, took a bus, or had an epic day. Since David Monti followed him the ENTIRE way in a support vehicle, then eliminate all but the epic day explanation.

Now apologize for starting this BS thread.

Is this the same course as last year or a new one?

When I saw Hall's time, I immediately thought of the Papa John's fiasco -- great times on a certified course in a national championship, and it turned out that the "certified course" was way short. Anyone who doesn't wonder about the course accuracy at least a little is either blissfully naive or willfully ignorant.

I hope that the course will be remeasured promptly, and the results of the remeasurement -- positive or negative -- published prominently and without delay.

I can explain all the PB's.

It was a national championship, it was a flat course and the weather was decent.

6th best performance of all time??? (certified, non-aided course) Hall is a talent for sure, but this performance is off the charts.

yes...this does bring up questions, as does 9 out of 10 women setting PB's. Seems reasonable to ask questions, especially considering that I have heard all the same arguments from those who defended Papa John's.

(also of note, marathon times were quite off the chart as well...)

The weather was very good for racing in my opinion. Of course it depends what you like, but I did a nice 10 miler right after the half finished and it was about 50 degree with some fog/overcast. Felt great running.

I'd highly doubt that the course was short. I don't know if the course has changed from years past, but I don't think it has. At least the turnaround point looked exactly where it was the past years. And if you look at the history of the race, none of the times were out there for the individuals who ran them, and there have been some top guys in the race before.

Plus, almost all of his 1mi splits that they reported seemed incredibly consistant or close. No big drops that would indicate a short mile.

Hall just ran an incredible race and was on today.

Marathon times off the chart? What chart have you been looking at? Are you really looking to cement your ranking as dumbest poster of the day?

I believe Justin Young's previous best was 1:04:32, so that's seven out of ten on the men's side. Of the other three, Meb and Sell did not run faster than I would have predicted; Dan Browne did.

Mags, why didn't you run?

Unfortunately came down with a sinus infection last Monday that pretty much limited me to rediculously slow jogging for a bit.

Bum wrote:

Here we have a historic performance on a certified course, and rather than enjoying it, you look for shooters on the grassy knoll.

Thing is, there probably WERE shooters on the grassy knoll.

Yes, and the Apollo moon shots never happened. Yeah, I watch Fox TV too.

curious results--why can't one question these things??? that's just a whole bunch of PRs for just one race...and as for Meb? sure, great runner, but when has he done anything of great note lately? why couldn't he be in 103 shape???

funny who folks pick and choose their battles here...

Bum wrote:

I watch Fox TV too.

Res ipsa loquitur.

Oh man, check out these results. 9 of 14 set season or personal bests in this race. We should definitly measure the course.