Did FDR know about Pearl Harbor in advance?

You dumbass. Sign up for Iraq if you really mean that. Or are you just another wimp blowhard like Toby Keith ?

Bah humbug wrote:

Don't spread your racist hatred throughout the cilvized world. We will kill you American invaders again like we have always done.

This guy's right, you know. We've been so evil with our ruthless pillaging that if everyone wants to take turns bending us over, we shouldn't put up any sort of fight to preserve the values and ways of life we used to hold dear. We should be more tolerant and PC, gleefully grabbing our ankles as we give our entire nation away.

Have a Merry Christmas.

Wow, it looks like even Islamo-fascists can pay some respect to what used to be American values. On the other hand, some people in this country often raise a huge stink that the word "Christmas" finds its way into print and demand it be changed to "Xmas." How tolerant of them.

Golly, I'm afraid I don't even know what religious holiday Islamo-fascists recognize. What a politically incorrect turd I must be! Is it ... uhhh ... 9-11? 7-7? No, those don't sound right. Oh, well. Happy whatever holiday. Try not to blow yourself up in vain or anything!

The United States arms and funds Israel and the occupation. There is no Israel without United States Government support. Israel would collapse from in a day with out the U.S. The U.S. killed the Lebanese in the 1980\'s using as proxy the War Criminal Ariel Sharon. The United States is respsonsible for proxy Ehud Olmert murder\'s of Lebanese in 2006. Olmert is from Iran and patterns his facist non-democratic occupation regime after his mentor, and fellow war criminal, the Shah of Iran.

The U.S. has lost the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, etc. Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Quaeda, etc. have won. The ISG threw in the towel. It\'s another historic defeat of imperialism. If you don\'t think so join the Army and go to Iraq. Don\'t be a Chickenhawk. Go if you think the U.S. has a chance at reviving the Crusade Against Islam. But don\'t encourage others if you are notg willing to die for nothing yourself. Then you\'d be lousy Chickenhawk.

America is the greatest Country that the Earth has ever seen. Muslims in the Middle East and around the world have offered nothing to the advancement of civilization in the last 1500 years.

America is not the problem.

IronicOne wrote:

Americans are all about spreading their form of government (democracy - really not...) to foreign countries that they benefit from (Iraq = oil), sure, call me crazy but it makes sense to help build another countries government (using American money) so the "new" country is already in debt to the US, that's a foot in the door to control their country...

Learn your history, please. Why do you think WWII erupted in Europe? The Allies did nothing to help rebuild Germany after its defeat in WWI. We left a nation in ruins. Virtually an entire generation of young German men were gone, jobs were scarce, cities were destroyed -- in short, life was unbearable and the people were desperate. Into this desperate situation stepped a drunk man from Munich, telling everyone who would listen that he knew who was responsible for the suffering of the German people (the Jews) and that he had a plan to make Germany great once again. Hungry, poor, desperate people will follow anyone who "appears" to have the answer. This was why after WWII we instituted the Marshall Plan. We did not leave Germany and Japan to fend for themselves because ultimately their desperation would lead them to seek revenge. We rebuild nations in order to avoid lingering hatred. Hell, we dropped two atomic bombs on Japan and yet today we are close friends. They forgave and moved on.

American Exceptionalism wrote:

America is the greatest Country that the Earth has ever seen. Muslims in the Middle East and around the world have offered nothing to the advancement of civilization in the last 1500 years.

America is not the problem.

Well said. Plenty of Muslims are trying to come to America and Western Europe to live. Not too many Americans or Europeans waking up and saying, gee, I think I'd get a better deal in Yemen or Pakistan. What most Muslims cannot accept is that they have done a pretty crappy job governing themselves.

I say this having spent over 4 years of my life in the Middle East. I have friends from many countries in the region. I actually like visiting the region. But Muslims need to wake up and face the reality that religion and politics just does not mix, and that only truly representative political systems that enfranchise all citizens can keep religion out of politics.

When people feel like they're getting the shaft, they turn to the Imams. They start believing that the Koran has all the answers. The Christian West figured out like 400 years ago that politics and religion is a volatile and destructive mix. Muslims wil eventually figure this out too, it just might take another 200 years.

USA? wrote:

Call me crazy but I assume the higher elecions of government are INTELLIGENT rather then STUPID.

first off, this is the second time you've not even come close to spelling the word "echelons" correctly, which makes it really tough to take your argument as coming from someone with a bit of intelligence.

secondly, yes, america's involvement in WWII saved the world. if you don't understand the evil that was nazi germany, then you're not even worth talking to. no amount of diplomacy would ever have slowed down hitler (or japan for that matter), there was literally nothing to do but use BOMBS.

You are correct, except German cities weren't destroyed after WWI - most of the fighting occurred in France. The Treaty of Versailles was all about revenge and it sowed the seeds for the Second World War.

But you can't convince the America haters. Or the democracy haters (who usually live in democracies). Democracy is built on some universal truths - just ask the Framers. And this is not just America's viewpoint. Read the UN Human Rights charter, for starters. Democracy is all over that thing.

USA? wrote:

Also, he saved the world by going to War??? War saves the World? That alone is laughable. How is bombing "for peace" saving the world? Ever heard the phrase "crime begets crime"?

Amen brother.

Other than ending Salvery in America, Fascism in germany italy and japan, and the Halocaust. WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING!

Well The U.S. did test the effects of radiation on indigenous pacific islanders.

and god damnit champ lives in lake champlain.

dude:

War never ended anything. All it ever does it send one side back to plot for another rise. Why do you think their is and will always be terrorism? Bush's "War on Terrorism" BS, what have we done? Now we're in Iraq (where he benefits since his family is in the Oil business).

You say it ended slavery? It may be the law to not own slaves, but many people still experience racism.

We ended WW2, then came ongoing battles in Vietnam, and the Cuban Missle Crises. Alittle later their was Desert Storm, then the Fight on Terrorism, now Iraq. What's next? It doesn't seem like ANYTHING will stop War. Funny thing is WE CREATE WAR.

Many will say I'm an "america hater" etc etc, and I'm ignorant for believing that GOVERNMENT IS SMARTER THEN THEY APPEAR, have you ever considered the possibility that YOU'RE BEING FOOLED?? Ever considered the thought that maybe it's you who is ignorant to the lies they feed you in history books and on tv? (i used to be USA through and through until I did my homework...)

Before you bash someone for what they believe in, maybe you should try to understand their point of view. This is the problem with Americans and foreign countries that hate us. Do you really think their are just a lot of bad people out there, and all americans are good? or are we the ones causing the problems? I find it alittle strange that a vast majority of foreign nations don't like the US (because of it's involvement in EVER world affair), and we're just suppose to believe that it's the other countries who are stupid and don't know the facts. Whose to say that we're getting the facts?

think about it.

I hate those guys

Drunk man? Try anti-semitic and mentally ill. It's not like I go around drunk saying I'm going to kill all the Jews, and then when I'm sober, I still think that I should kill all the Jews. Hitler was a little more troubled than being drunk. As for WWI, Germany was simply advancing industrially and technologically, while Britain, France, and the rest of Europe was not advancing much at all. That is why Germany almost won WWI by itself (Ottoman Empire=nothing, A-H empire=nothing), until of course the United States stepped in and saved the day. But, like Rebuilding is Good said, the United States didn't stay and take over Europe. So, Germany, who never actually lost WWI, rebuilt again under Hitler, and almost won WWII by itself against the still stagnant powers of Britain, France, and Russia, and this time the United States barely saved the day and this time they did take over Europe. WWII= the end of the European World Order, and a huge global power shift to the United States and partially Russia. Now that China is on the rise and the United States is stagnating socially (we are becoming way too conservative), will there be another power shift and WWIII?

But you can't hold the whole fraternity of democracy responsible for the childish behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole democratic system and children? And if the whole democratic system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of all governmental institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Our entire world? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America, the United Nations, and the children of the world. Gentlemen!

USA? wrote:

You say it ended slavery? It may be the law to not own slaves, but many people still experience racism.

There are no slaves in America. WAR...yes WAR ended that. Racism is not salvery.

This sort of thinking is dangerous. I think your view of war might be a bit different if it was the only thing between the life and death of your family. Before making idiotic statements that war never ended anything, read St. Augustine, arguably the father of Just War Theory. Thomas Aquinas also wrote on the subject.

Other countries? You mean like the European countries who begged the U.S. in the early 1990s to get involved militarily and stop the bloodshed in the Balkans because they couldn't do it themselves. Guess what - we had to wage WAR against the Bosnian Serbs and then the Serbs proper in 1999 to stop ethnic cleansing. Believe me, there isn't a country in the world that wouldn't support the U.S. going to war if it served their interest. Don't filter everything through the Iraq prism - it's a tad bit more complex than that.

War is horrible, trust me. Really. But sometimes there is no better option. If there's nothing worth fighting for, there's nothing worth living for.

USA? wrote:

dude:

Why do you think their is and will always be terrorism? Bush's "War on Terrorism" BS, what have we done? Now we're in Iraq (where he benefits since his family is in the Oil business).

The old Bush went to war for Oil argument. Only slightly better than the Bush went to war for Haliburton argument.

First off... you say "his family is in the Oil business" could you be more specific? It will help debunk your claim.

To make this argument believeable you have to ignore a few major events before invading Iraq. To name a few...

1. Every major world Intelligence agency claiming that Iraq had WMD. You cant debunk this with hindsight.

2. 18 (eighteen) UN resolutins were ignored by Saddaam for UN weapons inspectors to inspect the country for WMD.

3. The Congress and the Senate voted by a more than 2 to 1 majority in favor of the Iraq War Resolution. (Including John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Harry Reid)

Other Questions to consider in the Bush went to war with Iraq for oil...

Why Iraq? we get more Oil from Venezuela and Argentina than Iraq. Why not go to war in one of those countries? Bush wouldnt have to worry about Iran and all the Muslim Insurgents.

Why not go to war with Saudi Arabia? They have more oil than any country in the world. Plus it was Saudi Al Qeada terrorists who flew the planes on 9-11.

According to a lot of America haters and oher liberals Bush and the government is actually responsible for 9-11. If thats the case it would have been a lot easier to blame Chavez in Argentina and get all the Oil there? Bush would have made a lot more money.

Think about it. Also, think about why you're such a defeatest.

America is not the problem any longer. American Imperialism was the problem up until this week. The ISG has submitted a surrender plea to Islam. The U.S. will close out the invasions and move on like it always has. I see a bright future for Islam and America.