Footlocker top 7 against NCAA??

they'd do pretty damn bad seeing that a lot of the ncaa guys could split 15 flat through 5k on a fast course and only be halfway done. I don't care how deep the year is. Not even everyone in the top7 at FL can break 15 every try. They'd get murdered.

They would probably be last by around 300 points. Are you kidding?

Even the tail-end of the NCAA field can split THROUGH 5K in 15:30ish.

Is this a serious question?

Team place? 20th at best.

But no really, serious question?

"Even the tail-end of the NCAA field can split THROUGH 5K in 15:30ish."

you're an idiot

didn't webb run a 353 or 354 mile in hs

fgfg wrote:

didn't webb run a 353 or 354 mile in hs

If you're using the fastest miler ever in high school to suggest how high schoolers would compete in a x-c 10k, I think you might want to go back to the drawing board and get a better sampling of data.

ritz and webb and hall were good frsoh in the ncaas the next year

hbbvggh wrote:

ritz and webb and hall were good frsoh in the ncaas the next year

Irrelevant to the question that was presented.

for all you sarcastic, arrogant geniuses out there, take a look at the splits. half the ncaa field the other day came through 5k over 16 mins, or something like that.solinsky got 73rd, and ran 32:15...which is two 16:08 5k's. yes he had a bad day, but he still beat a whole lot of people. the tail end of the field came through in 17:28, 15:28. yes it was a slow course with mud and all that, but foot locker is slow as well. the top 7 high school runners in the country would fair much, much better than you people are giving them credit for. webb finished 11th as a freshman, and just a year earlier had gotten the shit kicked out of him by ritz...withrow, rupp, mcdougal, kiptoo, and true, the top five guys from 2003, would have done quite well at nats, i'd be willing to bet you would have at least three in the top 50. and take into consideration that rupp and mcdougal are the only ones that have been running close to their potential as of late, true seemed to have an off day at nats (although he did win heps i believe) and withrow and kiptoo were off their game as well...but, still, very, very talented class, as high school seniors they would have done well at ncaa's.

as far as this year goes? well, forys, tebo, centrowitz, taye, grunewald, murdock, jager? i can see forys going top 40 at least, with a few others top 100.

the ncaa is good, damn good, but this isn't god damn kenya where everyone in the country is running sub 5 minute pace through 5k in every 10k...give me a break.

Just for the sake of comparison, take a look at the top 5 American true frosh this year at Terre Haute:

49 29 491 Diego Mercado FR Oregon 15:38 25:20 31:56.5

90 64 774 Craig Miller FR Wisconsin 15:52 25:50 32:30.0

139 105 360 Micheal Eaton FR Louisville 16:09 26:12 32:57.9

150 116 658 Marlon Patterson FR UCLA 16:17 26:23 33:03.8

159 125 466 Jake Walker FR Notre Dame 16:19 26:22 33:09.2

That's 439 points. Ignoring any changes to the team scoring by taking these guys out, it would put this squad in 13th place. How they would do a year earlier, of course, is likely a different story.

First Point: Jager didn't even make FL.

Second Point: Top 100 is too broad, to say others could make top 100 you could imagine 100-5000

Third Point: NCAA's goes out in about 2:40-2:45 in the first kilometer. These kids, and I say kids because you are a kid in highschool could not handle a 2:40 in the first K of a 10k, no way in hell

Fourth Point: None of these Kids have the racing experience to even come close to running with the big dogs, they would be chewed up and spit out in the racing intensity. You need a transistion period to run in college, to say otherwise is stupid. 1 guy, 1 guy might break this exeption.

No effin way wrote:

Third Point: NCAA's goes out in about 2:40-2:45 in the first kilometer. These kids, and I say kids because you are a kid in highschool could not handle a 2:40 in the first K of a 10k, no way in hell

Fourth Point: None of these Kids have the racing experience to even come close to running with the big dogs, they would be chewed up and spit out in the racing intensity. You need a transistion period to run in college, to say otherwise is stupid. 1 guy, 1 guy might break this exeption.

Ritz ran the open USATF 5000M final at the end of his HS senior year and finished 11th. Webb ran his 3:53 against the lightning fast-starting Pre milers and almost beat Lagat. Didn't Rupp run against a few collegians and do well at the end of his senior year? I could be wrong there, but not sure. I don't know this year's HS class nearly well enough to comment about them, though.

It was a slow course. In addition the effect the course is increased at that length. Crowding also has an effect, leading to positive splits (which are non-optimal in running efficiency sense).

This question might be more interesting on the womens side. First, the difference in distance is much smaller and unlike the men the longer distance of Nationals is run more often. In addition, women have a flatter age-performance curve than men.

My HS team: Ritz,Webb,Gerry Lindgren ,Billy Milly Billy Mills ! and the Kansas Flash.

fgfg wrote:

My HS team: Ritz,Webb,Gerry Lindgren ,Billy Milly Billy Mills ! and the Kansas Flash.

'88 champ Brian Grosso would make any top list.

Good question. I'd say a little of everything that has been said has some truth. Certain years (ie-Ritz, Webb, Hall) would do better than others, but I would venture to say that they wouldn't be last. I believe the original post said something like the kids would have an adjustment time to prepare for the 10k. I bet one kid would over-achieve and sneak into the top 50, one or two others would be in the top 100, and the other four or five would be 200+.

you can't use webb and ritz, two anomolies who may be the best 2 HS distance runners ever, as the basis for your argument.

Not very good.

you can't use webb and ritz, two anomolies who may be the best 2 HS distance runners ever, [/quote]

Gerry Lindgren and Jim Ryan were competed internationally in HS.