TITLE IX BULLSH*T??

For football schools, the proportionality rule is the hardest to satisfy. Most of the D1 schools that have a football team satisfy their Title IX requirements by showing progress towards equality. This is done by satisfying the needs of the women on campus... i.e. if an overwhelming majority of girls on campus want a field hockey team and the school is no where near the proportionality requirements, the school will be heavily pressured to accept the team or some serious shit can go down. This is usually the case for football oriented schools and i'm sure there are exceptions however.

It is going to get even harder for men and sports. Many colleges are starting to become mostly women. 60% women in my daughters college.

Men's & women's scholarship numbers are equal. Men choose to spend all of theirs on one sport and women spread theirs around on various sports.

Some of you blame women for this?

health guy wrote:

Men's & women's scholarship numbers are equal. Men choose to spend all of theirs on one sport and women spread theirs around on various sports.

Some of you blame women for this?

of course, why would they blame themselves?

How many football programs make money...the answer not very many after you take in all of the costs...Sure the ones playing in the BCS do...not too many other are making a profit on football.

Who is blaming women? It seems to me that people are blaming the rule, not the benificiaries of the rule.

duder wrote:

Most of the D1 schools that have a football team satisfy their Title IX requirements by showing progress towards equality. This is done by satisfying the needs of the women on campus...

Just curious, but how do you quantitatively prove you are doing this? What counts as "showing progress"? If you add one girls team every year? What about one every three years? One every five years? One every ten?

Do you poll every female on campus to see if they are interested in a field hockey team? Do you then have to poll every male to see whether the women want a girls field hockey team more than guys want a male field hockey team? How do you correlate the number of girls who will answer that question with "uhh, yeah, sure, I'd be interested in a field hockey team" with the number that will actually come and tryout for the team once you've created it?

Who would rather do the above when they could just add up all the girls at the school, add up all the guys at the school, add up all the girls doing sports and add up all the guys doing sports and then cut teams until the two ratios balance?

That is where the fault of Title IX lies, not in the intent, but in how it seeks to demonstrate compliance that essentially forces the scenarios people are complaining about where male track, cross and wrestling teams are cut because there are fifty million guys signed up for the football team.

subway dude wrote:I know a guy who has run 16:30 in XC who was turned away because there is not enough room on the team, although the coach suggested he could try to walk on and earn money later. Won't happen anytime soon though, as the current team has about 8 guys who can run about 26:30 or better.

I was a 16:48 XC 5k guy out of HS, I ran sub 26:30 as a true frosh. If that is the school the kid really wants to go too, it can not hurt to show up and try. Even if he is not officially on the team he can tag along and train "with" the team.

Title 9 is unfair in the fact that girl participation in sports is less. But it is only fair for those schools that want to have big time mens' basketball and football programs provide off setting opportunities to girls too.

My school spent ~60% of their athletic budget on 28 athletes. How f***ing fair is that to the other 200 student athletes?

simple solution... get sports OUT of colleges and schools altogether, move to a club system.

let schools focus on education

let clubs focus on developing athletes

Title IX forces schools to have the same number of positions open and scholarships available for Men's and Women's sports. A good thought considering that percentage-wise, females generally make up more of the population of any university than males do. However, if anyone thinks that the percentage of females in college that have an interest in athletics is the same as the percentage of males in college who have an interest in athletics, they are sorely mistaken. Title IX does not account for this and thus we end up with horrible, horrible female athletes at major universities *because the spot is open*.

Title IX is BS. Fact.

In all due respect.

You don't "poll" people on Civil Rights and equality. You don't ask how much money they drew in the year before. You don't pretend you know how many of each gender shows up for tryouts.

This isn't some NCAA or College Policy, it is an education amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

We didn't ask how many African-Americans were actually going to show up at the polls if we gave them the "right to vote" or if they were going to "contribute" enough taxes to earn their citizenship. When women finally got the right to vote in 1920 - we didn't base that on how many were going to show up at the polls. It's about opportunity, not numbers.

many of you need to do your homework.

How about a women's football team? That would even out the scholly numbers.

legally blond wrote:

In all due respect.

You don't "poll" people on Civil Rights and equality. You don't ask how much money they drew in the year before. You don't pretend you know how many of each gender shows up for tryouts.

This isn't some NCAA or College Policy, it is an education amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

We didn't ask how many African-Americans were actually going to show up at the polls if we gave them the "right to vote" or if they were going to "contribute" enough taxes to earn their citizenship. When women finally got the right to vote in 1920 - we didn't base that on how many were going to show up at the polls. It's about opportunity, not numbers.

many of you need to do your homework.

And how does that change the fact that the rule is complete BS?

Giggity goo wrote:

Title IX forces schools to have the same number of positions open and scholarships available for Men's and Women's sports. A good thought considering that percentage-wise, females generally make up more of the population of any university than males do. However, if anyone thinks that the percentage of females in college that have an interest in athletics is the same as the percentage of males in college who have an interest in athletics, they are sorely mistaken. Title IX does not account for this and thus we end up with horrible, horrible female athletes at major universities *because the spot is open*.

Title IX is BS. Fact.

Bingo.

Its a good idea done poorly!! You obvisously need to have equal opertunity for men and women but its hard when it comes down to money. Title Nine is devided by $$ the problem is that in order for D1 schools to have a football program they need to have 60+ scholarships. Obviously there is no substitute and women get a plethera of money. Is it fair that on average there are more sports for women to play then men? Is it fair that a women could attempt to play football while I could not play field hockey? THe idea of mens and women having equal money is good on paper, but so isnt no child left behind. A good solution would be to exclude football and have mens and womens sports have equal money...that would be nice.

This is comming from a NCAA Qualifier who only got 2k for scholarship. While women who were worst than 15th in our confrence were on a full ride.

IT JUST SUCKS

man, I'm telling you. First of all read it.

Let's do this:

Why don't we just "poll" white males on who they feel deserves equal opportunities for education and work and all other civil right laws they have enjoyed since the day the constitution was written.

We'll just send out a yearly survey to white males, and they can work together to develop the criteria of who gets equal opportunity for education, educational extra curricular activities, employment, etc.

And then you can deny or approve based on your criteria. Wouldn't life be so wonderful then?

And why do you think that women do not show as much interest in athletics? With Title IX women are encouraged to try for athletics, unlike the past when they were not given a fair opportunity and looked at differently if they did participate in athletics.

As the other people on here who know their stuff has said, the problem is not title ix, it is those in the athletic departments that make the decisions and their love for american football. Something that would greatly help schools in trying to meet title ix requirements would be simply cutting the maximum number of allowed scholarships for football. Does a D1 school really need 85 scholarships and 100+ players on their roster. Cutting these numbers down could greatly help the schools, while also helping college football as a whole in giving the level of competition more parity. The big money making powerhouse schools might not like it, but oh well. It is the best thing.

thats more or less what I was trying to say, but then everyone chose to start acting (and arguing) like a mad Republican- Close your ears, close your eyes, and then yell as loudly as you can.

Hey bitch,

Last i checked title IX IS NOT a Consititutional Amendment you raving looney. I think its a statute.