What time does a HS girl have to run to be equivalent to 3:53?

Ffffffff wrote:

Cains 4:05 is probably a better mark but nobody cares about the 1500. Something like a 4:25 should do it but part of what made Webb so epic was the record standing almost 40 years and nobody even threatening it.

Ffffffff wrote:

Cains 4:05 is probably a better mark but nobody cares about the 1500. Something like a 4:25 should do it but part of what made Webb so epic was the record standing almost 40 years and nobody even threatening it.

Humidity is my Altitude wrote:

My assumption is that it's less to do with the time of 3:53 run by Webb and more to do with the way the 3:53 was run - destroying the record, in a pro field at the bowerman mile, and well before spike tech - that makes it live in infamy. Also, that many have tried, but no one has gotten close since.

While everyone is impressed with the new high school girls record, is there a mark that a girl could run to give everyone the same feeling of awe that Webb's 3:53 did and does?

gvbbjbbbb huj wrote:

Humidity is my Altitude wrote:

My assumption is that it's less to do with the time of 3:53 run by Webb and more to do with the way the 3:53 was run - destroying the record, in a pro field at the bowerman mile, and well before spike tech - that makes it live in infamy. Also, that many have tried, but no one has gotten close since.

While everyone is impressed with the new high school girls record, is there a mark that a girl could run to give everyone the same feeling of awe that Webb's 3:53 did and does?

Webb’s mile high school record is worth 1157 points per the WA tables. The women’s 1157 equivalent is a 4:24.85 mile.

gvbbjbbbb huj wrote:

gvbbjbbbb huj wrote:

Webb’s mile high school record is worth 1157 points per the WA tables. The women’s 1157 equivalent is a 4:24.85 mile.

And the women’s 1157 equivalent in the 1500m is 4:06.15, and 2:00.32 in the 800m.

Link:worldathletics.org/download/download?f...

Humidity is my Altitude wrote:

My assumption is that it's less to do with the time of 3:53 run by Webb and more to do with the way the 3:53 was run - destroying the record, in a pro field at the bowerman mile, and well before spike tech - that makes it live in infamy. Also, that many have tried, but no one has gotten close since.

While everyone is impressed with the new high school girls record, is there a mark that a girl could run to give everyone the same feeling of awe that Webb's 3:53 did and does?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Ffffffff wrote:

Cains 4:05 is probably a better mark but nobody cares about the 1500. Something like a 4:25 should do it but part of what made Webb so epic was the record standing almost 40 years and nobody even threatening it.

“Nobody cares about the 1500.” Hilarious.

The tricky part of the question is whether to use WR-level performances or NCAA-level performances and previous HS times as the point of reference. If you use WR level performances, then it’s 4:18ish. If you use NCAA/previous HS times, closer to 4:23 or roughly on par with Cain’s 4:04.62 1500.

gvbbjbbbb huj wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

“Nobody cares about the 1500.” Hilarious.

The tricky part of the question is whether to use WR-level performances or NCAA-level performances and previous HS times as the point of reference. If you use WR level performances, then it’s 4:18ish. If you use NCAA/previous HS times, closer to 4:23 or roughly on par with Cain’s 4:04.62 1500.

Cain’s 4:04.62 1500m is worth 1169 points; the male equivalent, per the WA tables, is 1:45.16/3.35.43/3:52.50.

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gvbbjbbbb huj wrote:

Cain’s 4:04.62 1500m is worth 1169 points; the male equivalent, per the WA tables, is 1:45.16/3.35.43/3:52.50.

Really? C'mon, bud.

Women's tables are inherently weaker because fewer women take distance running as seriously as men, and are on average less competitive than men.

So the comparison using the tables is flawed.

You should have known this?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Ffffffff wrote:

Cains 4:05 is probably a better mark but nobody cares about the 1500. Something like a 4:25 should do it but part of what made Webb so epic was the record standing almost 40 years and nobody even threatening it.

“Nobody cares about the 1500.” Hilarious.

The tricky part of the question is whether to use WR-level performances or NCAA-level performances and previous HS times as the point of reference. If you use WR level performances, then it’s 4:18ish. If you use NCAA/previous HS times, closer to 4:23 or roughly on par with Cain’s 4:04.62 1500.

Humidity is my Altitude wrote:

My assumption is that it's less to do with the time of 3:53 run by Webb and more to do with the way the 3:53 was run - destroying the record, in a pro field at the bowerman mile, and well before spike tech - that makes it live in infamy. Also, that many have tried, but no one has gotten close since.

While everyone is impressed with the new high school girls record, is there a mark that a girl could run to give everyone the same feeling of awe that Webb's 3:53 did and does?