I only came here to the Letshate message board to see how many posts before the 1st negative one. A little surprised, thought it might take 10 or so
what is your problem with negative posts? why would every post be positive? that doesn't make sense. it's good to have a range of opinions, if everybody had to be positive about everything that would get boring very fast, and it would also be very fake because life isn't like that.
What is up with the giant bruises on both of her thighs?
If they are circular that's a result of cupping therapy.
I came to sift through this thread because I have the same question. What was going on with all that bruising on her thighs? They weren't circular like any cupping marks I've ever seen. The natural assumption would be that they're marks from some kind of muscle treatment, but I've never seen bruises like that on an athlete from therapeutic causes before.
If they are circular that's a result of cupping therapy.
I came to sift through this thread because I have the same question. What was going on with all that bruising on her thighs? They weren't circular like any cupping marks I've ever seen. The natural assumption would be that they're marks from some kind of muscle treatment, but I've never seen bruises like that on an athlete from therapeutic causes before.
For your doping allegations.. well, it’s incredible what she’s doing, but times are so much faster for everyone now. All those HS kids coming through with times that would have been prodigy-level only a few years back..some using these alternative training methods now too. Maybe, just maybe, there’s something to it (along with shoes etc).
Besides, some people just respond to a training stimulus in an atypical way—and, of course, there’s such a thing as exceptional talent. 14:52 is phenomenal for a 21/22 year old collegiate, sure, but it’s not unbelievable. Zola Budd ran 14:48 at age 19 thirty years ago. Agate Caune ran 8:39 and 15:00 (solo in hot weather) last summer at 18/19. The world record is now 14:00, or ~300 meters ahead of what Valby ran today.
The repetitive doping accusations are the result of petty bitterness and a whole lot of boredom.
Just missed the standard but she now has the ranking to get in pretty much
A major threat in the 5K at Trials. Rooting for her
It would for sure be cool to see her make the Olympic team, but I'm a little worried that her racing style won't work as well against competition at or above her level. She's been winning these races by being much better than her opponents to the point that she can get away with leading the race. But the way she closed today is a good sign that she may have enough closing ability to contend with people close to her level in a championship race. I would for sure like to see that.
Yet when Tuohy would DOMINATE Valby, it wasn't suspicious at all?
Tuohy NEVER dominated Valby.
NCAA XC '21 - Tuohy by 7.2 seconds
NCAA East Prelim 5000m '22 - Tuohy by 1.93 seconds
NCAA Champs 5000m '22 - Tuohy by 1.71 seconds
NCAA XC '22 - Tuohy by 3.2 seconds
NCAA East Prelim 5000m '23 - Tuohy by 2.43 seconds
But Valby dominated Tuohy.
Nuttycombe '23 - Valby by 12.3 seconds
NCAA XC '23 - Valby by 27.8 seconds
She never dominated Valby by time but she was drafting off of her or hanging back in the pack in those races before trouncing her in the finish. Look at NCAAs in 2022. She was way behind Valby and then caught her very quickly and went by easily. Valby is a good deal stronger now and is definitely not all out in these races. You expect NCAA runners to get a lot better when healthy over the course of their career, just as Valby, Blanks, and Young have done, and really, the vast majority of NCAA distance champs over the years.
For your doping allegations.. well, it’s incredible what she’s doing, but times are so much faster for everyone now. All those HS kids coming through with times that would have been prodigy-level only a few years back..some using these alternative training methods now too. Maybe, just maybe, there’s something to it (along with shoes etc).
Besides, some people just respond to a training stimulus in an atypical way—and, of course, there’s such a thing as exceptional talent. 14:52 is phenomenal for a 21/22 year old collegiate, sure, but it’s not unbelievable. Zola Budd ran 14:48 at age 19 thirty years ago. Agate Caune ran 8:39 and 15:00 (solo in hot weather) last summer at 18/19. The world record is now 14:00, or ~300 meters ahead of what Valby ran today.
The repetitive doping accusations are the result of petty bitterness and a whole lot of boredom.
I agree with you in some ways, but can also understand Astro’s skepticism too. At the pro level, doping is rife. He thinks everyone is naive and ignorant, and - frankly - I can see why. I just don’t think it is at the college level (with - I’m sure - a few exceptions. There are always exceptions). This is one reason I almost prefer NCAAs now over pro (especially those ridiculous road races full of doped up Africans). One of the last bastions of actual ‘clean’ racing. So, I can see where he’s coming from. I’m sure he’d say I’m being naive though. As you say, Budd ran faster than Valby did tonight 30 years ago .. without the benefit of shoes, alternative training methods.. the shift in times for the average college kid from 30 years ago is huge. Considering the massive shift in times, Budd’s 14.48 has got to be worth a sub 14.30 easily these days. At a younger age than Valby. Now, that’s pretty astounding.
I agree, her times are very good but not good enough to imply doping, imo. She’s a young woman, training hard and having some fun. Why not just watch and enjoy? if something else is going on it will come out later, no one gets away with cheating forever. Maybe her vo2 max is just off the charts?
Florida Junior Parker Valby won her third 5000m national title while breaking her own national record with a time of 14:52:78 at the 2024 NCAA DI indoor trac...
Congrats! That is awesome for her. I don't follow the Tuohy vs. Valby thing, so I don't have much to add in that regard.
I just have a question. Why is the women's college 5000 record, so far behind the pro women's 5000 in terms of time?
If the WR is 14:00, then there should be a lot of women in the gap between 14:00 and 14:52, right? Couldn't they, if still young, snag some pretty sweet scholarships and fame? Wouldn't that be a springboard to a pro contract? It seems like a massive gap.
In the men's race, the WR and the college times are only 23 seconds apart (approximately). Why is that gap so much smaller?
The expectation would be that she feels the effects of this race tomorrow. Yet in her entire collegiate career I have never seen her genuinely tired, even when she lost. You going to explain that with cross-training? H'm.
Tuohy could never baby!!!!!!!! Eat it!!
(Saying this to trigger you not really a touhy shot lol)
I am raising valid points. Tell you all what. If tomorrow she shows any actual fatigue I will admit my error. I guarantee she does not. BC of the ARC trainer or something.
You know what's wrong with you. Your points aren't valid at all. If runner x performed similarly or way better than tuohy at the same age/grade. You warp their performances into doping. Which is weird because most of the comparisons are high schoolers. You do this all while somehow still believing tuohy is clean. You should hear yourself
The expectation would be that she feels the effects of this race tomorrow. Yet in her entire collegiate career I have never seen her genuinely tired, even when she lost. You going to explain that with cross-training? H'm.
