So because she's fast and a bunch of people you've never met seem to like her, she must be clean?
I mean, maybe she's clean, but I'm not following the logic of why FK seems to be getting a pass.
No, because she crushed a doped up record by an Aden athlete, and is in the Patrick Sang Camp- ie kipchoge. The man you see her hugging after the finish is Valentijn- the same man riding the bike alongside kipchoge in the first Breaking2 attempt. As stated in a previous thread, having two aberrant outliers under them SAME roof has to be astronomically rare. Given what has happened with peds the last 3 years, it would make someone extremely nervous to embrace completely. After Rhonex got pinched, my world changed.
So because she's fast and a bunch of people you've never met seem to like her, she must be clean?
I mean, maybe she's clean, but I'm not following the logic of why FK seems to be getting a pass.
Consistency of performances wwill lead you to believe she is clean. You would have to assume she was doped right when she started her running career otherwise.
When she turned 24 her best was 3:56.41. She has now run 3:49.11, 7.3 seconds faster. This is normal for sure. One would expect a 24 year old world class 1500m runner to improve by over 7 seconds. This is the norm I am sure. And of course the faster one gets the easier it is to slice time off. For sure.
Of the female runners who have run sub 3:55 there are seven Chinese runners, two Soviet runners, Shelby Houlihan, Dibaba, Hassan, and this one. Quite a list.
Doping is not impossible. It happens. In fact, it happens so much Russia has a blanket ban for systemic doping and Kenya, her particular country, barely escaped a blanket ban.
There is no proof that seeing through legal playing cards has ever been accomplished at any time.
See the difference in your analogy.
Failed to grasp the difference between analogy and comparison I see.
Celebrate the performance but don’t go around boasting about the cleanliness, because the honest truth is we don’t know.
Yeah unfortunately you are 100% right. We don't know and it sucks we can't rule out anything.
This does have a similar (not entirely the same but similar) feeling to when Dibaba ran the previous WR and we were all astounded and full of admiration for that "clean" performance even though she never ever came close to that ever again (not within 5 seconds) and even ran 4.06 in finishing dead last in her World title defense in 2017. Oh - and she was "guided" to her WR by Jama Aden the guy who had the fridge full of goodies at their training camp in 2016 (coincidentally a year after the WR).
I think a few things that spin this positively and more optimistically for me is career progression of Kipyegon who didn't go from a 4min runner to a 3min50 runner in a season and also a really big one tonight with the pacing lights and quality of the pacemaking out there. Let's be honest here, historically the level of pacemaking and ability of pacemakers for women compared to men has been laughable. El Guerrouj used to have a former Olympic 800m champion and 3min30 runner in William Tanui towing him to WR at basically perfect splits deep into races (1100/1200m) - something that to be honest just never happened with any of the top women going for WR's. No Huerter-Klecker and Feldmeier couldn't get her that far but what distance they did they ran on the right pace and more importantly the right rhythm and she then had the comfort and incentive of knowing exactly where she was with the lights in that final 600m.
So I'm certainly more optimistic on this one than I was with Dibaba - either way it's just nice she's out of the record book because we almost certainly knew with her and Kipyegon is as believable a candidate as we might ever get.
LOL at all of these posts. It's crazy ... I know a lot more factors point to her being doped, but I admit I'm guilty. I want her to be clean and I believe she's clean. Maybe my head's deep in the sand.
LOL at all of these posts. It's crazy ... I know a lot more factors point to her being doped, but I admit I'm guilty. I want her to be clean and I believe she's clean. Maybe my head's deep in the sand.
As stated in a previous thread, having two aberrant outliers under them SAME roof has to be astronomically rare....
Uh...no.
Having two outliers together is only sus if where runners end up is random. If where a runner ends up depends on factors such as how fast they are, or their potential, then you have it exactly backwards: They are under the same rough BECAUSE they are outliers. (Think dynasties on college football.)
To be clear, I'm not saying she's not sus. I'm just saying that without know more, having fast stable-mates tells us nothing about whether they are doping.
