Those kids were all complete studs in middle school. It's not like he plucked them out of PE class.
I’d say Shetty is someone from NP who made the big jump from freshman year. His freshman year his 3200 PR was a 12:14. And his 3-mile PR was a 18:20. 1600 PR was a 5:08.
His sophomore year his 3200 PR was a 10:52.
Schohn’s freshman 1600 PR was a 5:09. In XC he ended up as NP’s 8th man.
Those kids were all complete studs in middle school. It's not like he plucked them out of PE class.
I’d say Shetty is someone from NP who made the big jump from freshman year. His freshman year his 3200 PR was a 12:14. And his 3-mile PR was a 18:20. 1600 PR was a 5:08.
His sophomore year his 3200 PR was a 10:52.
Schohn’s freshman 1600 PR was a 5:09. In XC he ended up as NP’s 8th man.
Both still have 1 more year at the school left
OK, so the two examples both made their jumps after Brosnan left? Not sure that helps the point.
There are about 600,000 high school track athletes per year. Call that 150,000 per class and 75,000 boys, as a conservative estimate. You are saying that it is pure chance that 5 out of the top 20 (25%) high school distance runners of all time wound up at Newbury Park. If there have been 60 years in the modern era (around Jim Ryun) of, on the very low side, 30,000 boys per year in the country running track, to have any one of the top 20 from those 60 years would be a 0.0011%. Treating each family as 1, since you seem to think that if there is one great runner in a family, every other sibling will be great, which is nowhere near true, we can square that and get a probability of 0.0000012345% of having two of the top 20. Statistical probability of having 5 of the top 20 of 1,800,000 would be infinitesimal. Face it, Brosnan is just that good a coach. He brought a pro-style program to NP, adapted it to high schoolers, and sold it to them. His results were better by far than any other U.S. high school distance coach ever.
Bro, it's not pure chance. The Youngs recruited the Sahlmans to go to Newbury Park. They then recruited a bunch of other kids from the surrounding area. Every one of those kids in the past 5 years were complete studs as youth runners. Anytime you have that concentration of really talented kids pushing each other every day with solid coaching, you can expect something special. There has NEVER been a high school with that many youth stars on one team. Find one. You can't. Find another team with a dozen kids that broke 5 in middle school on one roster, and many not just broke 5, but were in the 4:40's.
What makes his training pro-style? He worked them very hard and they had great support from the families, but nothing revolutionary outside of the recruiting.
He developed his training programs from various pro coaches that he visited and talked with, from Salazar to Vigil, as he discusses in interviews. The Youngs and Sahlmans were by no means the best high school recruits ever. There were freshmen xc runners around the Youngs in 9th grade results who never emerged anywhere near their level three years later. Great middle school runners do not often dominate the senior class four years later and they were by no means the best of them.
Leo Young ran 2:13/4:55/10:37 in 8th grade, excellent times, but nationally, there is already a 4:26/9:26 8th grader at Belen Jesuit this year and there are numerous others who are a lot faster than Young in 8th grade. Maybe one of all these guys this year, maybe none, will run faster than Young in high school.
Oh, yeah? All of them? What were their middle school pr's?
Micah Dickran - 4:41.20 Lex Young - 4:45 Aaron Sahlman - 4:46.57 Noah Sloan - 4:48.40 Colin Sahlman - 4:48.86 Leo Young - 4:55.08 Nico Young - 5:05.03 (don't get hung up on this one as he was about 3 ft tall and 25lbs at this time) Nicholas Goldstein - 4:41.10 Daniel Appleford - 4:52.67 Zaki Blunt - 4:55.67 Gabriel Bernardino- 4:56.78 Dev Doshi - 5:00 (this was in 7th grade and didn't have an 8th grade due to COVID)
Jace Aschbrenner - 10:57 3200
Aaron Cantu - 4:29 1500
Hector Martinez - 4:22 1500
Nathan Porter - 4:44 at Westlake before he transferred
Braeden Herrera - 4:45 before he transferred
Brandon Guevara - 4:35 before he transferred
Not too shabby, right? Most coaches wouldn't mind having that kind of hand dealt to them, no?
Brosnan has still been coaching via his wife and writing programs all year.
So, now he's getting credit even when he's not coaching? Isn't the one who claims he can't coach remotely because he needs to see them and make decisions on the fly based on his artistry? Isn't that what he claims makes him so great?
Bro, it's not pure chance. The Youngs recruited the Sahlmans to go to Newbury Park. They then recruited a bunch of other kids from the surrounding area. Every one of those kids in the past 5 years were complete studs as youth runners. Anytime you have that concentration of really talented kids pushing each other every day with solid coaching, you can expect something special. There has NEVER been a high school with that many youth stars on one team. Find one. You can't. Find another team with a dozen kids that broke 5 in middle school on one roster, and many not just broke 5, but were in the 4:40's.
What makes his training pro-style? He worked them very hard and they had great support from the families, but nothing revolutionary outside of the recruiting.
He developed his training programs from various pro coaches that he visited and talked with, from Salazar to Vigil, as he discusses in interviews. The Youngs and Sahlmans were by no means the best high school recruits ever. There were freshmen xc runners around the Youngs in 9th grade results who never emerged anywhere near their level three years later. Great middle school runners do not often dominate the senior class four years later and they were by no means the best of them.
Leo Young ran 2:13/4:55/10:37 in 8th grade, excellent times, but nationally, there is already a 4:26/9:26 8th grader at Belen Jesuit this year and there are numerous others who are a lot faster than Young in 8th grade. Maybe one of all these guys this year, maybe none, will run faster than Young in high school.
All of that pro coach stuff is BS, just like his other claims about All-Americans and PR's. His interviews are total fiction when it comes to his background. If you believe he was talking shop with Salazar, does that mean you believe he was a 9x All-American?
The Young twins were part time runners, playing soccer. They weren't training seriously at in middle school. Lex ran a 10:09 3200 in 8th grade, doing hardly any running. Those kids have proven to be freakishly talented outliers.
He put a lot of enthusiasm into his coaching which is not anything many other coaches don't do. The combination of his energy, sound training and a huge group of really, really talented kids created a perfect storm.
Bro, it's not pure chance. The Youngs recruited the Sahlmans to go to Newbury Park. They then recruited a bunch of other kids from the surrounding area. Every one of those kids in the past 5 years were complete studs as youth runners. Anytime you have that concentration of really talented kids pushing each other every day with solid coaching, you can expect something special. There has NEVER been a high school with that many youth stars on one team. Find one. You can't. Find another team with a dozen kids that broke 5 in middle school on one roster, and many not just broke 5, but were in the 4:40's.
What makes his training pro-style? He worked them very hard and they had great support from the families, but nothing revolutionary outside of the recruiting.
He developed his training programs from various pro coaches that he visited and talked with, from Salazar to Vigil, as he discusses in interviews. The Youngs and Sahlmans were by no means the best high school recruits ever. There were freshmen xc runners around the Youngs in 9th grade results who never emerged anywhere near their level three years later. Great middle school runners do not often dominate the senior class four years later and they were by no means the best of them.
Leo Young ran 2:13/4:55/10:37 in 8th grade, excellent times, but nationally, there is already a 4:26/9:26 8th grader at Belen Jesuit this year and there are numerous others who are a lot faster than Young in 8th grade. Maybe one of all these guys this year, maybe none, will run faster than Young in high school.
There weren’t a lot of 9th graders that ran 14:38 for the first XC race ever or 4:15 miles. They were at the very top of Freshmen in their classes.
And, you’re right, not all middle school stars turn out to be as good as the Youngs and Sahlmans. NP had plenty as good in middle school and none turned out as good as them and several flamed out. Just like any group of 15 or so middle school studs, some do great, others do OK and some don’t turn out at all. The Youngs and Sahlmans are FREAKS!
I’d say Shetty is someone from NP who made the big jump from freshman year. His freshman year his 3200 PR was a 12:14. And his 3-mile PR was a 18:20. 1600 PR was a 5:08.
His sophomore year his 3200 PR was a 10:52.
Schohn’s freshman 1600 PR was a 5:09. In XC he ended up as NP’s 8th man.
Both still have 1 more year at the school left
OK, so the two examples both made their jumps after Brosnan left? Not sure that helps the point.
Also don’t forget the girls side either
Junior Maya Natarajan ran a 21 minute 3-mile freshman year. At state XC last fall she ran a 18:50
Oh, yeah? All of them? What were their middle school pr's?
Micah Dickran - 4:41.20 Lex Young - 4:45 Aaron Sahlman - 4:46.57 Noah Sloan - 4:48.40 Colin Sahlman - 4:48.86 Leo Young - 4:55.08 Nico Young - 5:05.03 (don't get hung up on this one as he was about 3 ft tall and 25lbs at this time) Nicholas Goldstein - 4:41.10 Daniel Appleford - 4:52.67 Zaki Blunt - 4:55.67 Gabriel Bernardino- 4:56.78 Dev Doshi - 5:00 (this was in 7th grade and didn't have an 8th grade due to COVID)
Jace Aschbrenner - 10:57 3200
Aaron Cantu - 4:29 1500
Hector Martinez - 4:22 1500
Nathan Porter - 4:44 at Westlake before he transferred
Braeden Herrera - 4:45 before he transferred
Brandon Guevara - 4:35 before he transferred
Not too shabby, right? Most coaches wouldn't mind having that kind of hand dealt to them, no?
8th grader Adrian Cantu may be going there next year. He ran a 4:42 mile
All that stuff is pure jealousy. Leo Young is roughly 59 seconds better than in 8th grade in the mile. 3:39 is no joke. And don't forget that Brosnan actually met with and worked with the local area club and middle school coaches and coordinated training with them. But there are numerous other local high schools that also get a bunch of sub-5 8th graders. Look at the Cal xc results for 2019. You'll see other 9th graders in xc at the Youngs' level who never blossomed anywhere near them. You won't see a single high school in the country with anywhere near the number of 9 flat or better 3200m runners in their entire history as Newbury Park in the past seven years.
All that stuff is pure jealousy. Leo Young is roughly 59 seconds better than in 8th grade in the mile. 3:39 is no joke. And don't forget that Brosnan actually met with and worked with the local area club and middle school coaches and coordinated training with them. But there are numerous other local high schools that also get a bunch of sub-5 8th graders. Look at the Cal xc results for 2019. You'll see other 9th graders in xc at the Youngs' level who never blossomed anywhere near them. You won't see a single high school in the country with anywhere near the number of 9 flat or better 3200m runners in their entire history as Newbury Park in the past seven years.
You’re wrong. Brosnan had no role in the middle school programs at all. Zero, other than recruiting them. Those kids came from at least 4 different youth programs from all over the area and Brosnan had no role with any of them.
Nobody else has a bunch of sub 5 8th graders. Most are lucky to have 3 or 4 on a roster at a time, not 14 or 15. Also, not just sub 5, but 4:40’s. Find another team with the amount that was previously listed. It has never happened.
Anyone have inside info into who the next Newbury Park coach will be and when they will start. No speculation, but insider info only. Will there be a new coach for track or will it be after the school year? Also, side topic, but will L&L and A Sahlman run CIF meets this year or skip and go the unattached route?
It's cool to see a high school program that actually has high expectations for XC and track. It is significant to a serious athlete's life because they may get a good 8 years of high end competition if they're lucky and 4 years of that is in HS. How are you a fan of the sport if you want to knock a program like Newbury Park? Compared to the crap coaches and programs we have around this is a breath of fresh air. I know plenty of kids that would kill to be on a team like that. It aint for everyone but neither is color runs and football.
It's cool to see a high school program that actually has high expectations for XC and track. It is significant to a serious athlete's life because they may get a good 8 years of high end competition if they're lucky and 4 years of that is in HS. How are you a fan of the sport if you want to knock a program like Newbury Park? Compared to the crap coaches and programs we have around this is a breath of fresh air. I know plenty of kids that would kill to be on a team like that. It aint for everyone but neither is color runs and football.
Actually, if you are replying to “It is insignificant” … this person is knocking people who are fans of high school sports in general, not the program Newbury Park
“It is insignificant” doesn’t like it when people follow high school athletics
