Is NC State Marlee Starliper Update?

So many holes and double standards in this anti-NC State blitzkrieg that's been going on for the past few months.

So Nevada Mareno "doesn't count" huh? Are all of the distance runners at Stanford (and every other "uber academically prestigious school", according to you) right now only there because of academics, and none of them "got in with their legs"? Nevada Mareno is the "only one"?? Because she later decided to transfer to "lowly" NC State, right?

Sure, that's not "elite"...but they are ranked ahead of likes of Michigan State (77), Penn State (77), Iowa (83), BYU (89), Colorado (97), Oregon (105), Utah (105), Rutgers (115), South Carolina (115), Tennessee (115), Arizona State (121), Kansas (121), Missouri (121), Oklahoma (127), Alabama (137), Kentucky (137), Oregon State (151), Nebraska (151), Kansas State (166), Arkansas (176), Oklahoma State (182), Louisville (182), Mississippi State (194), and Wyoming (202), New Mexico (212), and Texas Tech (219) ....to mention a few.

So, by this metric, NC State is superior academically to New Mexico, BYU, Oregon, Alabama, Oklahoma State, Colorado and Arkansas....some of the top women's distance programs.

If you want to bash anyone academically, you should be bashing New Mexico or Oklahoma State. #212 and #182 in the country?

Are you just a UNC-Cheat Tar Hole fan here to bash NC State?

So much BS in these posts...

I think that it would be good advice for someone who's only an "average" D1 runner (or below...certainly D2 or D3) to "put academics first", in their decision in choosing a school. But for very good or elite runners, it's obvious that a major factor in their decision will be choosing a school that has a good running program. If you deny that, you are just lying to yourself. Otherwise, why aren't all the top runners choosing to run at Princeton, MIT, Harvard, and Yale?

And you are also selling NC State short. They are not "average". They are clearly above average, at least by the rankings of the likes of US News and World Report, at #72 in the country academically (as I cited above). They are superior academically to the likes of New Mexico, BYU, Oregon, Alabama, Oklahoma State, Colorado, and Arkansas.

You are apparently a disgruntled Stanford fan, who is pushing the "vastly superior academics" of Stanford as the angle that you hope will bring Stanford back to the top.

NC State is an average Power 5 school. Does that make you feel better? It is like saying a 17 minute 5k female is average if talking about D1 running. The schools you mentioned have ACT scores 33-35. 99% of runners aren't smart enough to attend those schools. I don't agree that fast runners should attend schools that have good teams if the runners are smart. 99% of the fast runners won't go pro.

If I say "I'm surprised I was accepted at Harvard and Princeton, but I didn't get into Brown," it implies that I applied to Brown.

Clearly you were attempting to imply that Tuohy had applied to Stanford, but even with coach's support was not strong enough academically for acceptance.

You also recommended NAU and OSU for recruits; both of these are below NC state academically.

Lastly, if Chmiel later in life ends up at Cornell Vet School, or Tuohy at Columbia MBA, will it have mattered where they did undergrad? The top grad schools are full of kids from state schools and Chmiel, Tuohy and teammates have academic resumes to make that happen.

Your logic would support every kid choosing the cheapest school if the school doesn't matter and they can get into any school for grad school.

That's exactly what a lot of posters on this site recommend. Give your kid $250k toward a home if they agreed to go comm college to state school to grad school, based on what parent saves on undergrad costs.

For a scholarship athlete and academics, it's more about balance. If I go to academic powerhouse school, I can run too, but I might only get 5 hrs sleep per night and end up with a 2.9gpa. If I go to a state school the academics might be easier, but I have to make damn sure my gpa stays above 3.5 to get into grad school.

There's no right answer, it's about understanding pros and cons of various colleges. It's easy to say go for the best academic school, but it's important to know that if you do choose "based on running", there can still be a promising academic future. (even at NAU)

Oh, so now the goalposts are moving...NC State is now ”average” academically, but limiting it to Power 5 schools.

Why limit it to Power 5 schools? The “Power 5” designation is significant in regards to athletic program prominence, not academics. This contradicts your assertion that women’s distance runners should be primarily concerned with academics.

A lot of the best academic universities are not in the Power 5, including the elite of the elite like Princeton, Harvard, MIT, Yale, and Columbia.

Instead of all Power 5 schools, I say we limit the discussion to P5 schools with good women’s distance running programs. If we do that, then NC State is actually superior and elite academically...better and more highly ranked academically than BYU, New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Alabama, Colorado, and Oregon.

Therefore, when you look at this from a practical and factual standpoint, NC state is actually a superior choice academically for top women’s distance runners ... when considering the top choices out there for elite runners.

So, about Starliper…. Do we know?

No. NC State is below the average of the 31 qualifying schools. Those are the schools where the elite women generally run. But then there are women like Valby who chose a superior school which didn't qualify. So there are many more elite academic schools where fast women could run.

Stanford is not even the top school in US, I wouldn't picked it either if I want to run for a top school.

Correction...New Mexico and BYU are not Power 5.

Actually, it is becuase the few schools ahead of it don't offer scholarships.

I don't know why people on here insist on having the same conversation over and over again. There are many factors for a running recruit to consider when choosing a school: location, program offerings, prestige, workload, coaching, training philosophy, team culture, cost, alumni networks, school size, etc. Some of these factors will matter more to a given student than others, and the balance of factors will be unique for each student. The goal is for a student to find a school that best meets their unique needs, rather than one that maximizes one factor, like prestige or strength of the running program, above all others.

Yes, there are a very few jobs in finance and banking that really do hire from only a handful of elite institutions. But guess what: most people don't want those jobs! FAANG jobs and similar ones in tech are hiring more and more from state schools and other institutions outside the top 20 these days. GPA and resume components such as internships and research experience matter more for medical school and law school admissions than does the prestige of undergraduate schools.

A student athlete who takes advantage of the opportunities available at their school will be able to find their way in the post-collegiate world. The work ethic that makes them a great athlete will help them build a career after college. Being "successful in life" (however you define that) isn't as much of a zero-sum game as posters on here make it out to be. The top runners at NC State (or Florida, OK State, New Mexico, NAU, Stanford, etc.) will be fine. And even if they do experience some hiccups or U-turns on their professional paths, that's actually an incredibly normal experience for young adults trying to build a life, and it's not worth the admonishment or hand-wringing of internet strangers.

Anyway, Alex Harris, a former prep standout and runner at New Mexico (212!), recently received a masters degree from the University of Cambridge and is now working on a PhD at Harvard.

news.unm.edu

UNM student contributes to highlighted Anthropology research

As an undergraduate student at The University of New Mexico, Alex Harris was part of a team of researchers and is co-author of a paper that was recently highlighted in a scientific journal. For her contribution to the researc...

Link:news.unm.edu/news/unm-student-contribu...

Way to go. Anecdotal data really proves the point. How about showin the 100 studet athletes from her school who are working the checkout at Macy's?

Actually, if she ends up at NC State Vet school that is even better. They are ranked third in the country - ahead of Cornell. Seems like she did her homework.

This "superior Flordia academics" is hilarious. Is Valby going to end up being being a CEO of a Fortune 500 company or something, all because she has that mighty piece of paper degree from the Ivy of the South in Gainesville?? Valby can't even understand something as simple as basic geometry and running tangents in order to run the least amount of distance on a course.

Contrast that with Tuohy. Listen to her interviews. She is extremely intelligent, articulate, and demonstrates excellent leadership qualities. You could very easily see her as a coach at D1 school in the future. But, oh right, darn... that "lowly" NC degree will hold her back, won't it?? lmaoooooo

If school is meaningless, should every kid go to a JUCO to save money? All of the salary data is meaningless? That's right Tuohy fans shoot from the hip. Thay dislike facts and data.