Newbury Park is the greatest prep xc team in history

Could NBP, this next Spring, be the first school in history to have not only two athletes under either 4:00 or 8:40...but FOUR such?

Newbury Park High School is part of the Conejo Valley School district. Some poking on the district website reveals two options for attending Newbury Park if you don't reside in the specific school boundaries. 1. School of Choice for families living in the school district to chose the school of their liking within the district and 2. Interdistrict Transfer for families who live outside of the Conejo Valley School District who would like to attend one of their lovely schools.

What portion of the kids are either slated for Newbury Park, live in the Conejo Valley School boundaries or live outside of the boundaries and choose to transfer in. Of course its subjective to judge, but I believe there would be very little criticism if all the kids are going to their home school and justifiably heaps of criticism if all of the kids transfer in from outside of the district and further compounded if they transfer to Newbury Park late in their high school lives. My suspicion is, there is a mix of the above scenarios. Can anyone comment on the characteristics of Newbury Park's roster make up?

The Youngs live in Camarillo

The Conejo Valley is predominately made up of retired celebrities or medical researchers that work at Amgen.

There is every type of celebrity here: from minor royals, to pop stars, and retired athletes. The median home price is $1.3 million for a typical 1600sq ft 3 bedroom ranch, but it is beautiful and the schools are great.

Newberry Park has more blue-collar inventors/ business owners, and retired athletes than the rest of the Conejo Valley, probably because it is newer and cheaper than anything to the west (Thousand Oaks, Westlake Village, and Calabasas tend to have more old rock stars, and movie people.)

Nobody wants to go to Newberry Park schools—you can transfer from Westlake to any school, and from Thousand Oaks to any school (but Westlake) but Newberry Park can’t transfer anywhere.

A comparable house in Thousand Oaks, or Westlake schools has a 30% premium and the schools are viewed as equal or better than most private day schools. Newberry Park has adequate schools, but lower college readiness than the more wealthy cities surrounding it.

“Anything to the west” should have been East

Sounds like James Logan High School in Union City, CA. Kelli White, Kevin Craddock, Aaron Richberg (1:48 state champ) and a slew of others ended up in that school, despite some living with their grandparents as far away as Oakland.

Wise Old Man wrote:

truthsayer99 wrote:

The '99 York Team would have had its way with Newbury Park.

State Meet placing - 1, 3, 4, 6, 10

https://www.ihsa.org/Sports-Activities/Boys-Cross-Country/Records-History?url=/data/ccb/records/index.htm

That following spring the Dukes went 7.42 for 3200m relay indoors and 7.34 for 3200m relay outdoors.

Let's do our homework before making such bold statements.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2000-06-21-0006210234-story.html

I didn’t say NP was going to be the greatest 4x800 team in prep history. I said they are the greatest xc team.

As of now, NPs top 5:

Colin Sahlman (junior yr): 4:03 1600; 8:43 3200

Aaron Sahlman (soph): 4:08 1600

Leo Young (soph): 4:10/8:55

Lex Young (soph): 4:12/8:43

Dan Appleford (junior): 4:15/8:56

Why don’t you list the York team’s top 5 best times from their soph and junior years. I’m interested in seeing the comparison.

Sage won the Illinois Div 2 state double (4:13.02/9:02.78), with Peter Cioni 4:24.39/9:27.60. No others (Adam Palumbo (14:34), Adam Roche (14:38), Peter Stasiulis (14:46)) made it to the state finals.

Sage excelled at Stanford.

Cioni ran 8:26.15/3:50.39 at Princeton.

Roche ran 14:35 for 5th the following season improving 3 spots; he ran 14:47.59 at Iowa.

Stasiulis apparently didn't continue with running after high school.

Marty the thong wrote:

Using your own logic, there is no reason to compare track times.

Woodbridge is being questioned as being short. Is there a CA xc course you’d like to use as your gold standard? NP is going to kick -ss on all of them. Seems like 3200 times are a fair metric as opposed to quoting 4x800 times. BTW, suspect NP could manage a 7:40 too….

Baxter van Der Bosch wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

I didn’t say NP was going to be the greatest 4x800 team in prep history. I said they are the greatest xc team.

As of now, NPs top 5:

Colin Sahlman (junior yr): 4:03 1600; 8:43 3200

Aaron Sahlman (soph): 4:08 1600

Leo Young (soph): 4:10/8:55

Lex Young (soph): 4:12/8:43

Dan Appleford (junior): 4:15/8:56

Why don’t you list the York team’s top 5 best times from their soph and junior years. I’m interested in seeing the comparison.

Sage won the Illinois Div 2 state double (4:13.02/9:02.78), with Peter Cioni 4:24.39/9:27.60. No others (Adam Palumbo (14:34), Adam Roche (14:38), Peter Stasiulis (14:46)) made it to the state finals.

Sage excelled at Stanford.

Cioni ran 8:26.15/3:50.39 at Princeton.

Roche ran 14:35 for 5th the following season improving 3 spots; he ran 14:47.59 at Iowa.

Stasiulis apparently didn't continue with running after high school.

So you agree, NP boys are already way faster. Right?

Baxter van Der Bosch wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

I didn’t say NP was going to be the greatest 4x800 team in prep history. I said they are the greatest xc team.

As of now, NPs top 5:

Colin Sahlman (junior yr): 4:03 1600; 8:43 3200

Aaron Sahlman (soph): 4:08 1600

Leo Young (soph): 4:10/8:55

Lex Young (soph): 4:12/8:43

Dan Appleford (junior): 4:15/8:56

Why don’t you list the York team’s top 5 best times from their soph and junior years. I’m interested in seeing the comparison.

Sage won the Illinois Div 2 state double (4:13.02/9:02.78), with Peter Cioni 4:24.39/9:27.60. No others (Adam Palumbo (14:34), Adam Roche (14:38), Peter Stasiulis (14:46)) made it to the state finals.

Sage excelled at Stanford.

Cioni ran 8:26.15/3:50.39 at Princeton.

Roche ran 14:35 for 5th the following season improving 3 spots; he ran 14:47.59 at Iowa.

Stasiulis apparently didn't continue with running after high school.

Pretty cool that Sage might have made NP top 7!

yes and yes wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

Not saying you're wrong, but I want to point out that Woodbridge has NEVER been 3 miles.

Woodbridge is ALWAYS 3 miles.

It’s rounded up to 3 miles yes. Probably about 20 seconds short.

Baxter van Der Bosch wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

I didn’t say NP was going to be the greatest 4x800 team in prep history. I said they are the greatest xc team.

As of now, NPs top 5:

Colin Sahlman (junior yr): 4:03 1600; 8:43 3200

Aaron Sahlman (soph): 4:08 1600

Leo Young (soph): 4:10/8:55

Lex Young (soph): 4:12/8:43

Dan Appleford (junior): 4:15/8:56

Why don’t you list the York team’s top 5 best times from their soph and junior years. I’m interested in seeing the comparison.

Sage won the Illinois Div 2 state double (4:13.02/9:02.78), with Peter Cioni 4:24.39/9:27.60. No others (Adam Palumbo (14:34), Adam Roche (14:38), Peter Stasiulis (14:46)) made it to the state finals.

Sage excelled at Stanford.

Cioni ran 8:26.15/3:50.39 at Princeton.

Roche ran 14:35 for 5th the following season improving 3 spots; he ran 14:47.59 at Iowa.

Stasiulis apparently didn't continue with running after high school.

I ran during this era. Sorry, NBP is like nothing we’ve seen. They can put 4 guys under 8:40 this spring and a 5th guy at sub 8:50.

Sage ran 4:00 / 8:42 outdoor of his senior year but he would’ve been NBP’s 5th man in cross. Sage was a beast. But NPB would go 1-2-3-4-6 against York.

I don't think Sage would lose to all 4 guys. Not sure why you would either.

What an incredibly poor take....I'm disappointed. I was told the LetsRun message boards had some fools on them, but WOW. This is hot garbage even for what I imagined the lowest of lows could be.

A couple things to consider.

1. Footwear. York ran in the pre-super shoe/spike era. The Dukes of York would have all been 10-25s quicker at 3miles, if a.) they had footwear that literally propelled them forward and b.) in terms of track performances if they had the opportunity to travel to an Arcadia, etc. (Illinois travel restrictions didn't allow this at the time) you could have expected the Dukes to have run 10-12s quicker at 3200...easily giving them one athlete in the 8.30s and 3 others between 8.50-58.

2. It would take a lot more than NP equalling what '99 York accomplished over 20 years ago to be better than them. NPs going to need to put up 738 or better for 3200m relay indoors and sub 7.30's out!

3. Sage finished second at the GREATEST FOOTLOCKER XC Champs of all time. The number of future American Record Holders, NCAA champions, and Olympians is simply incredible. You show your lack of knowledge of this great sport when you start saying idiotic comments like "Sage could have been there 4th man....or top 5 of whatever sensational stupidity comes to your mind in the moment.

Please do your homework and try again.

We are getting off into the weeds a bit. Sage was great and would be a top or close to top person at NP, but we are talking the strength of the team 1-7. Also, I’m not sure what spikes all the NP runners wear, but even if dragonflys, c’mon, those spikes are not worth 10-12 seconds in a 3200. The NP boys would all be solidly sub 9 in their trainers. Also, the NP track times we have are from soph and junior yr. There’s a decent chance several will be sub 8:40 as seniors and the older Sahlman is going to break 4:00.

Logan was a new high school with fantastic facilities (shocking that the track already had an artificial surface) in the 1980s when I was in high school, and so it hosted large track meets and was in much better shape than older California schools because Serrano Priest (equalization by student) and Prop 13 (prop tax limits) had drained facilities renovation and repair money from most schools in Cali.

Those guys were running a fairly easy tempo 4M at about 5:08 pace (16 flat 5k). Combine that with the 13:30s-13:40s for "3M" xc and look at what Nico ran on the track (13:51 in hot conditions), and it's reasonable to think they could run low to mid 14 on the track for 5000m.