13 year old boy shot dead by police

Pendejon wrote:

So , I listened to the news today and there is a push for more serious charges against the cop that messed up.

This is interesting. I am trying to think of other people for whom making a screw up at work would get them murder charges. The oil tanker captain comes to mind.

Anyway, for relatively non lucrative , non prestigious position like police officer where the screw up can be so devastating as to bring on murder charges, this is going to get interesting. Glad it will be aired out.

Would you go to work in a middle class profession at best where this could happen to you somehow? No Way Jose.

How many middle class professions give you the power to kill other people? Even so, I am sure that if you do so there would certainly be an accounting under the law.

What amount of money would it take for you to police violent zones of Chicago at 2;30 in the morning, tasked with responding to gun fire explicitly, with non lethal weapons ? Not in the hoped for world but the real one get some sleep , your shift starts at midnight.

If the un -armed cop armstronglivs chases criminals who have guns , they always comply , 'cause of his good social ideas.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Pendejon wrote:

So , I listened to the news today and there is a push for more serious charges against the cop that messed up.

This is interesting. I am trying to think of other people for whom making a screw up at work would get them murder charges. The oil tanker captain comes to mind.

Anyway, for relatively non lucrative , non prestigious position like police officer where the screw up can be so devastating as to bring on murder charges, this is going to get interesting. Glad it will be aired out.

Would you go to work in a middle class profession at best where this could happen to you somehow? No Way Jose.

How many middle class professions give you the power to kill other people? Even so, I am sure that if you do so there would certainly be an accounting under the law.

All of the armed forces.

idek wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

How many middle class professions give you the power to kill other people? Even so, I am sure that if you do so there would certainly be an accounting under the law.

All of the armed forces.

My profession, as an engineer, gives me the opportunity to be responsible for thousands of peoples lives through negligence etc. this is why we have procedures and standards and competence to protect us.

As do the police.

i am accountable under the law.

interestingly, under english law, employees have a divine right to be incompetant - unless they are professionals.

Odo of Cluny wrote:

jesse obama wrote:

Why is a 13 yr. old kid out at 2:30am in Jesse and Obama's city? Parents should be turned over to social services, instead they will file a lawsuit and try to cash in.

I agree with your sentiments.

As for "parents?" DMX had 15 kids by 9 women. Eddie Murphy has 10 by 5 women. Mick Jagger has 8 kids by 5 women. Roger Daltrey has 8 kids by at least 4 women. About 41% of births in the USA today are to a single mom. In what sense are fly-by-night sperm ejectors parents?

Who is DMX?

idek wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

How many middle class professions give you the power to kill other people? Even so, I am sure that if you do so there would certainly be an accounting under the law.

All of the armed forces.

There's accounting in the armed forces.

One problem with policing the police and that is that laws which apply to everyone else really shouldn't factor with police because of the different set of circumstances. There should be laws on the books which expressly define situations the police encounter and then botch up as a function of their duty.

u still cant see it wrote:

idek wrote:

All of the armed forces.

There's accounting in the armed forces.

One problem with policing the police and that is that laws which apply to everyone else really shouldn't factor with police because of the different set of circumstances. There should be laws on the books which expressly define situations the police encounter and then botch up as a function of their duty.

That's a good idea.

I've really struggled with learning how to change my beliefs and opinions when faced with contradictory factual evidence. And it appears a lot of us on these boards struggle with it as well.

Pendejon wrote:

u still cant see it wrote:

There's accounting in the armed forces.

One problem with policing the police and that is that laws which apply to everyone else really shouldn't factor with police because of the different set of circumstances. There should be laws on the books which expressly define situations the police encounter and then botch up as a function of their duty.

That's a good idea.

Yes. If a surgeon injures me while removing my guts it is one thing; if a torturer injures me while removing my guts it is quite another.

Let me guess, some people here will argue that this officer had no right to fire on this suspect either since he was starting to run back to his vehicle and was "no longer a threat." This video goes to show how quickly things can escalate for an officer making a stop. They simply have no idea what is going to step out of the vehicle.

The actual bodycam video starts at 2:27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u4WvZHd1Ts

Chicago is a f'ing hole wrote:

Let me guess, some people here will argue that this officer had no right to fire on this suspect either since he was starting to run back to his vehicle and was "no longer a threat." This video goes to show how quickly things can escalate for an officer making a stop. They simply have no idea what is going to step out of the vehicle.

The actual bodycam video starts at 2:27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u4WvZHd1Ts

Wow! That was amazing. The officer barely avoided getting shot and then shot the villain from a considerable distance (maybe a few tens of yards).

So like I said, the solution to many problems is better parenting. A lot of mental health issues can be solved with a stable home life. Of course this isn’t always possible, but it’s a start.

FinJ wrote:

Two things. You should make police academy a bachelor like in my country. Here it is much easier to get into engineering etc than police academy. You should t have so many guns in your country either. When police have to carry guns at all times the situation is already out of hands...

How about you worry about your own country? We have a Bill of rights and many of us in the US will exercise our rights

idek wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

How many middle class professions give you the power to kill other people? Even so, I am sure that if you do so there would certainly be an accounting under the law.

All of the armed forces.

Not in your own country and not without the direction of the President.

Pendejon wrote:

What amount of money would it take for you to police violent zones of Chicago at 2;30 in the morning, tasked with responding to gun fire explicitly, with non lethal weapons ? Not in the hoped for world but the real one get some sleep , your shift starts at midnight.

So we have to pay the police more to discourage them from shooting people?

Pendejon wrote:

If the un -armed cop armstronglivs chases criminals who have guns , they always comply , 'cause of his good social ideas.

Why don't we just let the cops shoot whoever they like - as some apparently do - because it's too hard to follow procedures and laws that make clear just when and how police are permitted to exercise force?

Question: with the shootings undertaken by police are they building safer communities? Or just shooting people?

Armstronglivs wrote:

Pendejon wrote:

What amount of money would it take for you to police violent zones of Chicago at 2;30 in the morning, tasked with responding to gun fire explicitly, with non lethal weapons ? Not in the hoped for world but the real one get some sleep , your shift starts at midnight.

So we have to pay the police more to discourage them from shooting people?

Police make a ton of money.

Their salary looks normal, but they gets tons of extra hours at multiplied pay rates without even showing up to events.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Question: with the shootings undertaken by police are they building safer communities?

Yes. Virtually every shooting is of a violent criminal whose death made life for the living safer. Somebody who was going to be killed, raped, robbed, or beaten up next week will now not be attacked. It is extremely rare when an officer shoots an innocent person.