So basically, there are ultra runners using "ski-mo" for training because Kilian does it. Sage, Reed and others think this is better than being disciplined in the pool, etc. Ridiculous if you ask me. Start winning ultras if you think this is so good. Does Cody Reed even run ultras anymore? I think he got kicked outta the Coconino's.
Have you ever heard of a thing called having fun?
You should try it sometime. It actually won't kill you, it will make you enjoy life!
Cheers
This is like criticizing a runner for lifting weights and saying "who TF does he think he is? Herb Elliott wannabe?". Sometimes it's good to give the body a break from running and give it a new aerobic stimulus for a bit.
I guess I'll wait for Seth's video in a day or two.
If this is skiing up mountains it's probably really good training.
dsadasc wrote:
So basically, there are ultra runners using "ski-mo" for training because Kilian does it. Sage, Reed and others think this is better than being disciplined in the pool, etc. Ridiculous if you ask me. Start winning ultras if you think this is so good. Does Cody Reed even run ultras anymore? I think he got kicked outta the Coconino's.
I'm guessing you're not much a skier and haven't skinned. But, regardless, this is the biggest growth segment right now in skiing. Huge sales before and during Covid and ultra guys have been on it for while. Anton did it years ago, Max King has been in a few big races in the last few years, many more names besides Killian - who started racing Skimo competitively YEARS before running competitively...
Every good trail/ultra runner here in the Roaring Fork Valley, and most of the Rockies, is skinning or racing ski mo as part of their winter training. It's a new reality for those of us lucky to have the conditions to take part.
Don't knock it till you try it.
Ski mowing is great for all these Aspenites.
dsadasc wrote:
So basically, there are ultra runners using "ski-mo" for training because Kilian does it. Sage, Reed and others think this is better than being disciplined in the pool, etc. Ridiculous if you ask me. Start winning ultras if you think this is so good. Does Cody Reed even run ultras anymore? I think he got kicked outta the Coconino's.
who the hell are these people
Trustfund detector wrote:
Ski mowing is great for all these Aspenites.
No trust fund, but nice try bud.
Five figure AGI with a family of four, but I live your vacation.
81611 wrote:
Trustfund detector wrote:
Ski mowing is great for all these Aspenites.
No trust fund, but nice try bud.
Five figure AGI with a family of four, but I live your vacation.
No worries, I lived the dream just 30 miles north of you.
I have never run an ultra-marathon, but it's pretty clear it's a completely different discipline than track or road running. I don't know how I would even begin to train to keep moving (up and down mountains) for that long. Running for even 3 hours seems like a nightmare. Continuously moving for 12, 24, or more hours, just seems awful to have to train that much and run that long. To me, intuitively, adding in cross training and putting in many extra hours of aerobic exercise in a non-impact way would be a benefit to prepare your body for that sort of event.
Why do you think it's so terrible to cross-train? Do you run ultra-marathons? How do you train for them?
Trustfund detector wrote:
81611 wrote:
No trust fund, but nice try bud.
Five figure AGI with a family of four, but I live your vacation.
No worries, I lived the dream just 30 miles north of you.
Right on right on, I like Eagle!
it's a different sport wrote:
I have never run an ultra-marathon, but it's pretty clear it's a completely different discipline than track or road running. I don't know how I would even begin to train to keep moving (up and down mountains) for that long. Running for even 3 hours seems like a nightmare. Continuously moving for 12, 24, or more hours, just seems awful to have to train that much and run that long. To me, intuitively, adding in cross training and putting in many extra hours of aerobic exercise in a non-impact way would be a benefit to prepare your body for that sort of event.
Why do you think it's so terrible to cross-train? Do you run ultra-marathons? How do you train for them?
Training for ultrarunning doesn't have to be much different than training for a Marathon.
You just run slower but longer in the race. It's all mental.
dsadasc wrote:
So basically, there are ultra runners using "ski-mo" for training because Kilian does it. Sage, Reed and others think this is better than being disciplined in the pool, etc. Ridiculous if you ask me. Start winning ultras if you think this is so good. Does Cody Reed even run ultras anymore? I think he got kicked outta the Coconino's.
Orrrrr.....
Every high altitude location gets a ton of snow. Yeaah Flag or Boulder or boulder get a decent amount of snow but they aren't really high elevation. I am talking 8k+.
So you live at high alitutde to be ready to run at high altitude all summer. You can't run because there is so much snow. So you skin. Great workout.
Trustfund detector wrote:
it's a different sport wrote:
I have never run an ultra-marathon, but it's pretty clear it's a completely different discipline than track or road running. I don't know how I would even begin to train to keep moving (up and down mountains) for that long. Running for even 3 hours seems like a nightmare. Continuously moving for 12, 24, or more hours, just seems awful to have to train that much and run that long. To me, intuitively, adding in cross training and putting in many extra hours of aerobic exercise in a non-impact way would be a benefit to prepare your body for that sort of event.
Why do you think it's so terrible to cross-train? Do you run ultra-marathons? How do you train for them?
Training for ultrarunning doesn't have to be much different than training for a Marathon.
You just run slower but longer in the race. It's all mental.
Which marathons have 5k+ elevation gain? All the marathoners were crying and dropping in atlanta because it had a measly 1,389 ft. Gotta run some major major hills in there.
When Joe Gray participates, then I'll believe...
shootpost wrote:
Trustfund detector wrote:
Training for ultrarunning doesn't have to be much different than training for a Marathon.
You just run slower but longer in the race. It's all mental.
Which marathons have 5k+ elevation gain? All the marathoners were crying and dropping in atlanta because it had a measly 1,389 ft. Gotta run some major major hills in there.
Pike Peak Marathon.
Ultrarunning does not need to include trails or elevation gains. I ran plenty of ultras with not an inch of elevation gain. (Maybe 2 inches.)
I skin two hours every day of rolling terrain off the top of the gondola at 12,000 feet. It ain't brutal, but it ain't easy either. It really is a brutal sweat fest if it is straight vert for an hour, say from the base to the top. One nice thing about skinning is that there is no stress on the joints. And after a few sessions, there is never any problems with the achilles. You get a little bit of aerobic work without the stress. And for these ultra dudes who never need to really hammer fast, this is a great workout. But if you are a real runner who needs to hammer, you better be doing some fast pace running at least.
The Africans have no idea how to ski.
africans dont ski wrote:
The Africans have no idea how to ski.
They don't Tour de France or Skate Ski and certainly don't SkiMo but that don't mean it's not good for your running fitness.
Guaranteed, if you're skinning uphill on a 25% grade for 3000 vert in CO at high elevation, you will become an aerobic monster beyond what most people can ever achieve by simply running.
Same can be said for Skate Skiing long 40 - 50k sessions.
Runners who only run have no idea the gains they could achieve from skinning in the winter months.
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